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Scag Tiger Cat II, Kubota GR2120, or Hire a Crew Until I Die?

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#1 ·
I have about had it with my 34-year-old John Deere 430 breaking down, and I am concerned about the safety and difficulty of continuing to remove and replace the 340-pound mower deck over and over for maintenance. I am considering several possibilities: 1) hire a lawn service for the rest of my life, 2) buy a Scag Tiger Cat II, and 3) buy a Kubota GR2120.

Can anyone give me their take on the best choice?

I mow something like 2 acres, which will expand over time as I kill these horrible water oaks. I also have pasture areas where I would like to take out stubby Florida blackberry bushes sometimes, and if I had a good mower, I might start mowing the grass near the highway.

I have, literally, tons of heavy, tough leaves every year, so I have to have excellent mulching. My yard is the Bermuda Triangle of mowers because I still manage to hit a rock or big stick every so often, so the mower has to be very tough. It has to have a long life expectancy. It has to be easy to work on. The yard is not heavily sloped (Northern Central Florida), but it's somewhat irregular. I have to have a mower I can get parts for 15 years from now, so the company has to provide good support. I'm guessing I will do maybe 80 hours of mowing per year. The grass is nasty bahia, which is like strips of leather and hates to be cut. With the JD, I have to mow at a crawl. It would be nice to move a little faster.

I don't want a belly mower which is extremely hard to take off and replace, and I don't intend to keep rolling an incredibly heavy piece of machinery onto its side in my old age.

The idea of buying a tractor is appealing, but I have a real tractor, and in 7 years, I have barely used the JD for anything but mowing. It's not capable of much except pulling things that aren't heavy. I don't know if a zero-turn can do anything but mow.

I'm not buying another used mower. I got the JD used, and it has been the scourge of my existence. New alternator. New rear belt, which is a nightmare to replace. Injector pump leaks. Muffler literally fell off, and right now a new one is almost $400. Hydraulic cylinders can't be rebuilt and have been discontinued; I've already lost one. Like a lot of guys, I ran over my grille, which is designed to fall off when the wind blows. Don't feel like paying $800 for a used replacement. The list of available new parts gets smaller all the time. I can have everything fixed, but I fully expect this tractor to have problems every year.

Values for JD 430's are dropping, so I am thinking that rather than take $1500 or whatever, I would keep this one, basically out in the rain, and use it on the rare occasions when it can fill in for my real tractor or the new mower.

I have used both local dealers (Kubota and Scag) for repairs, and they are at least acceptable.
 
#2 ·
I just got rid of my 25 year old Deere 335 mower. I have about 3 acres of lawn and it would take me 3 days to mow it all. That tractor was really slow and I wasnt too motivated to do it all in one session. Mine was beginning to fall apart too.

I replaced it with a Bobcat ZT5000. This thing is awesome! It really zips around and I can mow the entire lawn in about 3 hours now but I have to be careful not to rip up the turf when turning tight corners. I went from a 54 inch deck on the Deere to a 64 inch deck on the Bobcat. Its only a few extra inches but it makes a big difference. The smoothness of the cut is much better than the Deere too.

Bobcat sells an optional towing hitch if you want to tow a sprayer or fertilizer. You can also buy hitches on Amazon for most any other brand. They also offer a full mulching adaptor that looked like a pain to install, or something called an eco-plate. Its a plate the mounts over the exhaust port of the deck and allows for the mulching of leaves. I bought the plate. It mounts without tools so I really like that and does a good job of not clumping the cuttings. Wont know how it works on leaves until this fall.

This thing is a brute and plows through tall grass like nobody's business and does a real nice job of spreading the clippings around. The Deere just did an overall poor job of cutting evenly and leaving clumps of cuttings. I was glad to see it go.

As for maintenance, I'm not sure I'm capable of removing the deck and flipping it over to get to the blades. It is soo much beefier than the Deere deck and I could barely handle that one. I'm thinking its back to the dealer for any maintenence.

I say go with the zero turn.
 
#3 · (Edited)
Thanks for the reply.

I feel like I've been brainwashed by Deere fans. They talk like this thing is the Millennium Falcon of mowers, but I just don't see it, and JD has decided it's an end-of-life product, so buying parts is starting to be like restoring an Edsel.

Also, Yanmar treats people who need parts like they're terrorists trying to get nuclear secrets. Real jerks.

When I talk about the problems I've had, Deere fans make fun of me like I'm some kind of moron. I guess that means I'll be able to get one of them to pay me a high price for a washed-up machine.

It looks like I can change the blades on a Scag by jacking the front of the deck.

I'll say this: the 430 is tough, other than the crazy muffler. I hit a football-sized rock that was 90% buried, and the 430 pulled it out of the ground and threw it about 10 feet. I had a hard time finding the tiny damaged area on the blade.

I'm going to look at both machines if I can.

The Scag is in stock here.
 
#4 ·
I left the house hoping to see a Scag and two Kubotas. The Kubota dealership does not stock the GR2120, so I only got to see one product there. I looked at a Tiger Cat II and a Z781KWTI. I also looked at a Cheetah, but it's huge, and I don't think I really need it.

The Scag seemed to be made with users and mechanics in mind. Lots of thoughtful touches. To change blades, you just jack up the deck in front. The bolt heads are at the top, so you don't have to find a way to jam an impact wrench under the deck. It has a 32HP Briggs Vanguard with a carb. Injection would be nice, but on the other hand, I can work on a carb.

The lady who showed me the Z781 clearly did not know much about the equipment or the competition. I had to try to figure things out. I still don't know much about it.

The Z781 has a 29.5HP Kawasaki 850cc engine with fuel injection. I am trying to find out what kind of longevity I can expect. The construction of the mower seemed sturdier than the Scag.

I have used both businesses for repairs. Both did okay, but the Kubota place was much slower.