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My jug of Roundup concentrate says 2.5 fl oz / 1 Gallon water to cover 300sqft.

Do I really need that much carrier water for blanket sprays on my reno? My normal backpack sprayer calibration is 4 Gallons to cover my 5.1ksqft lawn which works out to 0.24 Gallon for 300sqft, a quarter of what the label says. I feel like at the label rate liquid will be dripping off the leafs into the soil.
 
SNOWBOB11 said:
davegravy said:
I measured the most "slope-y" part of my yard at 9 degrees. My soil is sandy and I've never had drainage issues. Is this enough of a slope to warrant any special measures to prevent seed from washing downhill?
I've seen the pictures of your lawn and I don't think it needs any germination blankets if that's what you were thinking.
Blankets I was wondering about yeah. The angle I shoot pics from doesn't really show the slope well so I thought I'd measure it just to be safe. But yeah my gut feeling is I should be fine.

Here's a pic that shows the slope

 
T minus 6 weeks (the point of no return) - Do any drastic amendment of soils know, per your soil test.
Is the idea here that I can apply higher than 1 lb K/M (the recommended max monthly rate for potassium) to get my annual correction in? For me my outstanding corrective apps will be 2.5lbs K/M and 4lbs S/M.

Since I'm glyphosating everything I guess I shouldn't be worried about turf damage due to high K levels. The K will work down into the soil by the time I seed 6 weeks later without causing germination issues?
 
@g-man or others, I'm going away this Saturday for a week and dropping glyphosate the following Saturday (Jul 4). My lawn is overdue for aneuw reapplication (approaching rebound).

What's more stressful and likely to impact glyphosate efficacy - applying aneuw now or mowing down rebounding grass that's uncut for 1 week? I won't be able to glyphosate early. My HOC is about 2" right now. I'm thinking I should re-apply aneuw.
 
@g-man I just sprayed my roundup, excited that this is actually happening. Was hoping for some guidance on fallowing, particularly after my grass is good and dead.

I understand the idea is to get weed seeds to germinate, but should I be watering the same way I normally do for turf health, ie deep watering to saturate my ~6" turf root zone? Or is it sufficient to back off a bit and aim to keep just the top inch or two moist? Is there much worry about weed seeds lower than that?
 
Just finished dethatching and then scalping my lawn. I wish I had waited until now to apply my soil corrections. I found the dethatching turned up a bunch of the green pellets of elemental sulfur I applied last week, and I suspect scalping /bagging picked a bunch of it up (and maybe also the K I put down).
 
shadowlawnjutsu said:
When should I start counting the days after germination? I've seen some lawn journal that says they got germination from mazama blue grass in 7 days. What if I see some germination in some area and not on others? Or is that even possible? How can I tell that it's the germination day?

I'm going to have a control seeds where I'll plant it in a small container. When I see germination in that,would that be a good sign that I can start counting DAG?
I'd like to add to this question... I'm planting a 75% kbg 25% PRG mix so I expect the latter to germinate much earlier. Is it best to use the kbg germination date as the reference for DAG?
 
Thick n Dense said:
@g-man

2. Have a plan for the grass clippings when scalping. I never bag... ever. Today I scalped down to the final height for seeding and I had so many clippings LOL... I threw them under a bush in the backyard but holy crap it was like 4-5 bags off my time master.
Does your municipality not collect grass clippings and other yard waste? Mine doesn't allow grass clippings (they want to encourage mulch mowing, which I normally do) but they didn't reject mine when I put them out after my reno.
 
damanpal said:
I am doing a full lawn reno as well with Award KBG. I seeded on August 9th. Couple of questions I have from the reno guide steps:

1. 21 days after germination- look for no germination zones and apply more seeds if needed
This, for me, is somewhere in the next week. I am still seeing more and more bare areas filling up everyday. If I put more seed down, say this weekend, is there enough time for this new seed to establish itself? Considering I am in the Toronto area.

2. 21-28 DAG - Apply tenacity (4oz/acre rate no nis) and it depends on the weed pressure.
On another thread I read that the second application is for the post-emerg and to use a NIS. I do have some weeds which survived the initial tenacity application. Is this second app another pre-emerg or post or both?
Thanks for asking this, I'm also wondering about question #2. I have a bunch of broadleaf weeds, and they're getting big enough that they're starting to shade my baby KBG. Been hand pulling when they get offensively large but I'm falling behind.
 
synergy0852 said:
I'm doing my second tenacity app as pre-emergent to fill the gap while I wait to do prodiamine @ 60DAG. I can kill broadleaf weeds later, don't need to use tenacity for that. I'm more worried about preventing unwanted POA and other grassy weeds.
If you use NIS and water it in after a few hours of foliar absorption do you get post and pre control?
 
halby said:
I am in SE michigan. I pivoted from my plan to use TTTF/KBG to full PRG because I ran out of time in august to complete my reno. Personally as slow as I've seen KBG comes up, yes even GCI's kbg, I have zero confidence that the grass would have time to establish in time before the mid OCtober, which is when our first frost usually is. Even than KBG just take SOO long to really get hardy. I am a sucker for PRG, comes up in a week, and is established in month, about the same time you start seeing KBG at the 1 inch stage. I just don't have patience or enough will power to deal with KBG, i learned the hard way.
In my first reno and I can see how KBG alone would be a stressful experience, but I'm feeling good about my 25% PRG 75% KBG mix. Enough PRG to give me the appearance of somewhat established lawn after 1 month, so it doesn't look like garbage for so long, plus the benefits of KBG to come in the future.
 
Di3soft said:
so now that cooler weather is consistently here with rain here and there, at what point should I take down my sprinkler system? I an at 34 days since seed down and 25 DAG. i know not to do it too soon but just an idea would be good.
Take down? Do you mean blow out and put away for the season? Don't need to do that until getting near freezing temps.

If you mean turn off, it depends. I haven't run my sprinklers in 2 days - it's been cool and cloudy and my soil is still wet. I'll probably get some scattered sun later this week and I'm expecting to have to run it a few times here and there - but I'm watching the soil closely and changing my watering schedule with the weather.
 
Di3soft said:
@davegravy sorry I have an above ground irrigation system, which I will bury next spring. so yea blow out and put away for the season, only reason I ask is because every time I have to mow which is roughly every 3 days, I have to take apart and move the system and then put it back. Just wondering if the cool weather and occasional rain will be enough at some point soon. Ill keep the system up as long as needed was just curious.
Understandable, but you never know there could be another heat wave and it would be risky to pack it up prematurely. I have above ground too and I manage to not need to move it with each mow. I'm using a push mower at 1.5" HOC which JUST clears the piping, and then I use a string trimmer around the heads. Works fine, any chance you could do something similar?
 
Just to tie in the discussion with @g-man from another thread, weekly spoon feeding apps may be more appropriate than bi weekly depending on conditions.

What's important is maintaining a reasonable rate of top growth. 1.5" of clippings/week is ideal, but you need to balance this against factors like having a mix of different cultivars growing at different rates, disease pressure, etc
 
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