Have you done any soil tests?

Seems like a good plan to me. Maybe budget in some time for a second app of gly for anything that doesn’t get completely killed the first time around or for any weeds that pop up.

 

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i did two last year and somehow it was right down the middle with everything. I don’t see how but two of them were. I didn’t do one this year. Don’t have time to wait for results or make fixes anyway.

i figured since it’s Provista maybe I could avoid second gly app. Was afraid someone would say that. Darn, maybe I should

thanks so much for taking the time it really means a lot!!!

 

Regarding the provista, the second app of gly is really only for anything that gets missed. You will have some time before the kbg is mature enough to handle an app of gly I would think.

 

I suspect you are right. I actually decided to start the gly today in that case. Only had time for half my lawn. Thanks man.

 

Glyphosate two days ago, then mowed on lowest setting today. Gotta do things when I have the opportunity.

 

3 days s/p scalp & gly. Don’t see much of anything growing. Hoping most of the green/blue is the dye I used with the Gly.

I also removed all sprinklers so I don’t damage them with the Harley rake.

I then proceeded to try to get rid of the rest of the grass and level with a Harley rake. I would recommend strongly against this. It was an awful mess of a job, I didn’t get all the dead grass despite over 8 hours of work, and I think it is less level than before. Horrible regrets here.

 

Welp did it all today, leveled reinstalled sprinklers, seed, peat moss, burlap / straw, though I ran out and had to use Slope master. Hope it comes thru.
started working at 630 am just finished at 1150 pm.

 

Today is seed down + 4 days

just had my first little guys pop up

 

Thanks for sharing. Did you end up pregerminating?

Also do you have any insight as to why the Harley raking didn't work? Could the soil have been too moist?

 

I did pregerminate. For 7 days, but then I ran out of milorganite and so I couldn’t dry half of it, so I literally had to straight up waste it and then throw down virgin Provista seed, so I’m going to get germination at all different times now. Gosh recalling it here just reminds me how much of a dumbass I can be. But I literally had to do everything in 1 day. I just ran out of time. I think the Harley rake didn’t work because I didn’t know what I was doing and my grass wasn’t yet fully dead… maybe? Enough people felt it was the “right tool for the job” that clearly the problem was me.

here’s pics from today

 

Seed down + 17 days. Totally didn’t have sprinkler coverage in several areas. Started pregerminating today for those areas. Will try to lay down in 6 days.

 

Well, now you know. The germination that you do have looks really good!

 

Thanks so much!

 

All's well that ends well right!? Looking good!

 

Seed down + 20 days

planning to fill in the bald areas in 3-4 days, got it pregerminating and recalibrated my irrigation to hit those areas this time. Will be using mesotrione this time (was afraid to due to pregerminating last time but in the test areas where I did use it it grew up just the same).

and here’s my little adjacent Mazama lawn

 

Have you hit with more fertilizer since seeding?

 

@NDKBG No, should I have? I just laid down more seed in the bald areas two days ago. Think I should put down fert? If so, any particular type?

 

Thats what I am wondering. I will be day 21 on Saturday but have 90 degree days through Monday. Back to mid 70s on Tuesday so I was thinking of throwing down a .8 of N. Lesco starter fertilizer. Just curious on the timing with sprout and pout. I am a week behind you. I have been following your journal and have started my own.

ND 4A Provista Bare Dirt

 

Everyone has said they could have used more nitrogen in the fall and spring that has newer grass. Especially the seeding group.

 

@NDKBG i was going to fertilize with urea 0.25 lb per 1000sqft after the first mow maybe?

Your lawn is looking mighty nice by the way! Your house is next level!

 

Thank you on the grass and house. After watching Jake the Lawn Kid and Allyn with their projects I'm going to send it and feed the crap out of it. Do my .8 N next week and repeat every two or three weeks depending on what is happening. I think that's a solid plan on waiting for the first mow it looks like you are pretty close to that. It's hard to tell but it appears your grass has gotten taller quickly. Wondering if the pre germ has any effect on the growth development? The majority of mine has remained pretty low. I had germination at day 6 with the usual popping in the rows of slit seeding but has really filled in the last couple of days (I did cross seeding). Do you feel it popped up on day 4 throughout the whole yard or just in spots and filled in over the next couple of weeks? I still have quite a few bare spots with a few sprouts here and there, but I had to back off the watering because of my sprinkler lay out and trying to dry my over saturated areas (pictures in the journal). Around my heads seem to not be filling in. I wonder if it is overwatering since there is always a slight pool or i just under planted and raked in to deep or away. I had a lot of clay around the heads as well so maybe some wash out as well. Overall, I am happy with what I have for almost an acre of grass planted. I should have another 50 days of growing(hopefully). Last year was the 1st year in 5 years we didn't have a 20 in snow storm middle of October.

 

I was surprised how quickly the areas where my sprinklers hit raised up. All of the accounts about Provista made me think it would take a lot longer. The areas where my sprinklers didn’t hit obviously didn’t do jack. I think it’s very clear that the areas I put peat moss did the best, as usual. I must say that pregermination and peat moss are two truly essential components to ensuring success. If only I had taken the care to ensure I had decent coverage with my sprinkler system, I might be doing okay.

 

Seed down + 31 days. Still haven’t mowed, many baby grasses I’d crush. So, so, so many weeds. Wish I hadn’t been afraid to use Mesotrione after pregerminating.

 

When I say so many weeds I mean so MANY weeds!!!

 

Any idea what you’re dealing with?

 

A bunch of different ones. Mostly crabgrass. I’m about to add a little more seed to the areas that are bare, because they washed away. I am going to spray some mesotrione with the seed to try to get rid of a bunch of these weeds. Seem reasonable?

 

Seems reasonable. You didn’t get any meso down at seeding the first time, right?

 

Seems reasonable. You didn’t get any meso down at seeding the first time, right?

Only in certain sections. Why? By the way I changed my mind today and went no meso. After all, I can Gly everything next spring right? That should be the advantage of Provista

 

So, a couple things…

first the areas I didn’t get germination in the first time, I don’t appear to be getting germination on the second time. First time they got no water, second time they washed away. It being Sept 13, I’m not sure what to do now. Anyone got any ideas?

second I saw some beautiful tall grass very lush and somewhat thick in a section, then quickly realized it was Poa Trivialis. I knew it would be back, just didn’t think so quick or so thickly. Now that I look around, there are patches of it in multiple areas. If it looked like this all the time, I’d purposely grow it, but of course it doesn’t. I’ve also got tons and tons and tons of weeds. I keep reassuring myself that after I hit all of this with Glyphosate in Spring and then reseed the areas with Provista at that time, I should be able to get to mostly Provista KBG by next fall. Does that seem realistic???

@rmengel
@Thick n Dense
Any words of solace or wisdom?

 

Post a picture of some of your spots so I can compare. I'm still pretty low on majority of my yard. Have you mowed yet or getting close? I have crabgrass everywhere and I want to mow just for that. I still have a bunch of germination going on. I'm not sure if they will survive or not. I only have two maybe three weeks left. I don't know if I will even get a mow in. Wondering if that will affect my over wintering.

 

Have you mowed yet or getting close? I have crabgrass everywhere and I want to mow just for that. I still have a bunch of germination going on. I'm not sure if they will survive or not. I only have two maybe three weeks left. I don't know if I will even get a mow in.

Haha I mowed mostly for the weed grass too, and to vacuum up leaves. Id say only 15% of the PV got “mowed” and the rest just got mowed over. I still have sizable bald areas, and I have no idea what to do with them. My understanding is that the horizontal spread/fill radius is significantly less than traditional KBG, so I don’t think I can do that. I’m sure triv has plans for those areas…

 

I am just letting my bare areas go and see what I got in the spring. I was hoping the non germinated areas were going to hold out until the spring but they are sprouting 30 days in(expected but we hit 36 overnight so I'm not sure what will become of the new grass). I have a bunch of seed left(way more than I need or wanted listened to the guy who wanted to go with heavy seeding rate and then ended up with 35lbs left. My wallet is still mad). So, I will weasle the ground and spread and cover with peatmoss in the spring. If you watched Jake the lawn kid and his recent provista updates we are both doing ok. I am on a three year plan. Get the bigger areas going in the spring let it fill in and feed the crap out of it. I have a few areas that I pushed in to my non grass areas and will be taking plugs and transfering to needed spots.

 

Help me out what do you mean by you were hoping those spots would hold out till spring? Can the seed delay germination like that? Is that what you’re referring to?

 

Yes, I wasn't seeing germination. So I was hoping it would stay dormant and pop in the spring. Thick and Timmy talked about seeing germination in the spring as well. I did dormant seeding on 10k at my old place and it turned out really well. It was a typical 3 specie lawn mix.

 

Even if they’ve gotten wet?