Lawn Care Forum banner

New grass flopped over

37K views 41 replies 12 participants last post by  PA Lawn Guy  
#1 ·
Hey all,

I recently overseeded. We have had tons of rain and part of my yard is a slight slope so the run off from the rain has flopped over the new grass and it looks matted down.

I remember someone saying not to let the new grass grow too tall that it flops over because it won't recover. In this scenario the rain did it. Am I ok? Anything I can do? Take the blower to it?
 
#4 ·
Some of my new KBG seedlings flopped over from the rain too. It should stand back up on its own. If not, you could vary lightly rake it a bit to help.
 
#6 ·
I have this same problem, I was waiting to mow as my mix had fine and tall fescues and kbg. It was pretty tall maybe 3.5 inches we got a heavy rain and it all layed over. ( not matted down tho) A blower does help, I did cut it yesterday but the push mower doesnt have enuf power to suck up the blades. I will try my rider this week..
I think if its matted down you have to try and rake it a little to get air flow or it will rot from lack of air and not drying out.
 
#9 ·
JDgreen18 said:
I have this same problem, I was waiting to mow as my mix had fine and tall fescues and kbg. It was pretty tall maybe 3.5 inches we got a heavy rain and it all layed over. ( not matted down tho) A blower does help, I did cut it yesterday but the push mower doesnt have enuf power to suck up the blades. I will try my rider this week..
I think if its matted down you have to try and rake it a little to get air flow or it will rot from lack of air and not drying out.
K good point. I'll try and rake it up a little. Then maybe bag mow for the suction?
 
#10 ·
Bkell101 said:
FuzzeWuzze said:
If its flopped over its fine fescue, or ridiculously long other grass. You can try to blow it up but its just going to continously flop over and its a b---- to mow because it lays flat and doesnt cut properly.
The lawn company said it's tall turf type fescue but who knows...does fine fescue fall into that bucket?
No TTTF is much better, although without seeing photos its hard to know. Fine fescue is easy to identify in pictures.
 
#13 ·
ken-n-nancy said:
Gentle use of a leaf blower will help a lot. How tall is the grass? 2 inches? 3 inches? 5 inches?

What is the height at which you normally maintain the grass? How tall is the old grass at this point?
I've done 4 inches all summer. Old grass is 6 inches now. New grass is about 2.5 inches I think.

Here is a pic of the type of grass



 
#14 ·
Mozart said:
What kind of rake works best for lifting matted down grass? A plastic leaf rake? I'm thinking the metal rake might be too sharp.

I'll need to stand mine up once we get a break from all this rain...
I tried the plastic leaf rake: grass pulled up

I tried my hand: takes forever

I tried the blower: just blows it over the other way

😩
 
#15 ·
FuzzeWuzze said:
Bkell101 said:
FuzzeWuzze said:
If its flopped over its fine fescue, or ridiculously long other grass. You can try to blow it up but its just going to continously flop over and its a b---- to mow because it lays flat and doesnt cut properly.
The lawn company said it's tall turf type fescue but who knows...does fine fescue fall into that bucket?
No TTTF is much better, although without seeing photos its hard to know. Fine fescue is easy to identify in pictures.
Can you tell type of fescue even when it's in the new phase? I posted the pics
 
#16 ·
Bkell101 said:
Mozart said:
What kind of rake works best for lifting matted down grass? A plastic leaf rake? I'm thinking the metal rake might be too sharp.

I'll need to stand mine up once we get a break from all this rain...
I tried the plastic leaf rake: grass pulled up

I tried my hand: takes forever

I tried the blower: just blows it over the other way

😩
It is still a little damp so maybe I'll try again when totally dry?

Also noticed that it's like all stuck together too
 
#18 ·
Looks like Fine fescue to me, not TTTF, probably Chewings. It was probably part of whatever mix they put down. You probably do have TTTF in there somewhere.

Im guessing your grass area's look like this(Fine Fescue)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YiSI_CN4Jfo/U_Hm864sZiI/AAAAAAAADz8/cjewIhyq8MQ/s1600/DSC_0117.JPG

Not this(Tall fescue)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-48YZ0Eyy2vU/U_HnJscuIEI/AAAAAAAAD0E/aO-RiigLsA0/s1600/DSC_0118.JPG
 
#19 ·
FuzzeWuzze said:
Looks like Fine fescue to me, not TTTF, probably Chewings. It was probably part of whatever mix they put down. You probably do have TTTF in there somewhere.

Im guessing your grass area's look like this(Fine Fescue)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YiSI_CN4Jfo/U_Hm864sZiI/AAAAAAAADz8/cjewIhyq8MQ/s1600/DSC_0117.JPG

Not this(Tall fescue)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-48YZ0Eyy2vU/U_HnJscuIEI/AAAAAAAAD0E/aO-RiigLsA0/s1600/DSC_0118.JPG
Nice side by side. Are these both from your yard?
 
#20 ·
MichiganGreen said:
FuzzeWuzze said:
Looks like Fine fescue to me, not TTTF, probably Chewings. It was probably part of whatever mix they put down. You probably do have TTTF in there somewhere.

Im guessing your grass area's look like this(Fine Fescue)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YiSI_CN4Jfo/U_Hm864sZiI/AAAAAAAADz8/cjewIhyq8MQ/s1600/DSC_0117.JPG

Not this(Tall fescue)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-48YZ0Eyy2vU/U_HnJscuIEI/AAAAAAAAD0E/aO-RiigLsA0/s1600/DSC_0118.JPG
Nice side by side. Are these both from your yard?
No i just googled fine fescue and found a Purdue site with them :D
http://purdueturftips.blogspot.com/2014/08/fescue-you-mean-theres-more-than-one.html

I naplam'd my property to get rid of all fine fescue i cant stand the look of it.
 
#22 ·
@ken-n-nancy's leaf blower suggestion is a good one (@JDgreen18 also suggested this in another thread). What I've noticed is that blow dried grass will stand up on its own with time. Wet grass sticks to the ground. So even if your leaf blower is just blowing the grass over in a different direction you are also removing water droplets from the blades and breaking any existing mycelium webs.

The grass below was 100% matted down last week after a heavy downpour and I blew it dry to prevent fungal issues. The grass was resting on the ground, dry, when I was done.

We've had several days of rain since, with no further intervention on my part. The grass is mostly standing upright now.

@MichiganGreen I agree with you - I think fine fescue looks "old" when it's not 100% green (looks worn in summer) but during spring a healthy fine fescue lawn looks beautiful.

 
#24 ·
JDgreen18 said:
@Mozart that's filling in nicely
Thanks :) The weather hasn't been cooperating so I haven't had much time to work in the yard and update my lawn journal. Hoping for some drying off today so I can do a lunchtime mow before more rain tonight/tomorrow. Mowing wet grass is so messy.
 
#25 ·
Mozart said:
@ken-n-nancy's leaf blower suggestion is a good one (@JDgreen18 also suggested this in another thread). What I've noticed is that blow dried grass will stand up on its own with time. Wet grass sticks to the ground. So even if your leaf blower is just blowing the grass over in a different direction you are also removing water droplets from the blades and breaking any existing mycelium webs.

The grass below was 100% matted down last week after a heavy downpour and I blew it dry to prevent fungal issues. The grass was resting on the ground, dry, when I was done.

We've had several days of rain since, with no further intervention on my part. The grass is mostly standing upright now.

@MichiganGreen I agree with you - I think fine fescue looks "old" when it's not 100% green (looks worn in summer) but during spring a healthy fine fescue lawn looks beautiful.

ahh, so true so true.
 
#26 ·
ken-n-nancy said:
Personally, I find a leaf blower works extremely well and is very gentle if one doesn't use more power than is needed. (Full power is NOT needed!)
As an update:

Kind of bummed, I tried everything but just couldn't get the grass to stand back up or really dry out. The weather went from 60's and tons of rains to high humidity into the 90's x 2 days. The parts that were matted down from rain runoff on the barely slopes areas are also somewhat shaded.

I used the blower. I used my hands. I used the rake gently. I tried to bag mow and feel like it only made it worse. Meanwhile, other parts of the lawn were needing watered since the heat has been so high. So I hand watered the dry spots. Still there is no coming back for the matter down grass. Sticky green sludge like stuff with all the blades stuck together. I resorted to raking it up today after a second mow (let the old grass get to 6.5 inches then mowed to 4" then two days later took it to 3") and reseeding those areas again. My hopes are low at this point and I feel pretty defeated. Lawn went from looking great to right back to where I started.