As aggressive as that weed is, I would find next to impossible. People with cool season turfs struggle getting KBG overseeds to be successful.

Embrace the weed or nuke it and start over would be my suggestion.

 

I don't think anyone on here has tried it yet, but it has been done. Google bluemuda.
https://www.mosportsturfconsulting.com

It was talked about on an issue of "Frankly Speaking". It was a very interesting listen.
https://www.turfnet.com/blogs/entry/1579-talking-bluemuda-with-brian-winka-cfsm/

 

As aggressive as that weed is, I would find next to impossible. People with cool season turfs struggle getting KBG overseeds to be successful.

You could overseed the KBG when the Bermuda is going dormant. I would love to see somebody try this and maintain it year round!

 

As aggressive as that weed is, I would find next to impossible. People with cool season turfs struggle getting KBG overseeds to be successful.

You could overseed the KBG when the Bermuda is going dormant. I would love to see somebody try this and maintain it year round!

Good thought, perhaps I should not have dismissed the notion.

 

As aggressive as that weed is, I would find next to impossible. People with cool season turfs struggle getting KBG overseeds to be successful.

You could overseed the KBG when the Bermuda is going dormant. I would love to see somebody try this and maintain it year round!

Good thought, perhaps I should not have dismissed the notion.

I listen to alot of the TurfNet podcasts and would have never thought it was possible or would be successful until I heard about it there. Makes me almost want to move to the transition zone to try it.. almost.

 

Bluemuda. Who knew? I am going to listen to that podcast. Consider yourself lucky that you don't live in the transition zone.

 

Consider yourself lucky that you don't live in the transition zone.

Oh I do!

 

Bluemuda. Huh. Sounds interesting. Usually I see the cow look when lawns have a mix. Patches. I wonder how well they grow intermingled and what kind of work it would require to keep that uniform look.

 

For Bluemuda, I feel like you would need a KBG cultivar or blend that is both aggressive and has early Spring green up and great heat tolerance to really compete with the Bermuda. No idea what cultivar fits that.

Also you need a location that is semi conducive to both KBG and Bermuda, where at least some of each will make it through the Winter and Summer. Maybe Northern Virginia...? Long Island Sound area is about the furthest North cold tolerant Bermuda can be pushed...but Winter kill is expected to some degree. Probably not the best place for Bluemuda mixes.

 

When you read the links, it is using barenburg HGT bluegrass. Which you could buy from advance turf solutions. In the images it looks really good.

 

I smell marketing BS on this...

See i think the issue would come in the summer when the Blue is struggling. If you're watering(or decent rain)on the short bermuda like you should be and fertilizing, that Blue is not going to go dormant. It'll just be heat stressed and a little drought stressed.

They probably water the ever living sh!t out of it, but neglect to mention that... You know they watered everyday for a week in early june and quick took a picture... Oh wait, That's exactly what he did... Picture was taken on June 2015. Show me that turf field at the end of July when it's been a hot hot hot year. It'll be beat up!

How do i know this? I've got Blue in my Zoysia.

 

@LawnNerd
The purpose is to have Bermuda be dominant in Summer and kbg dominant in spring and fall. Same as overseeding Bermuda withought actually over seeding

 

Show me that turf field at the end of July when it's been a hot hot hot year. It'll be beat up!

Will a soccer field in August do?

 

I think if someone does this @Ware would have to create a special sub-forum just for them.. Is it a cool season? Warm season? :lol:

 

I think some of the transition members fighting Bermuda could try this. This is using barenburg kbg seeds that are meant for strong wear resistance (atlethic fields) and drought (transition zone). It sacrifices color, but that makes it blend with Bermuda easier.

 

So, I have mixed feelings about Bermuda use pushing Northward over time. On one hand, it's really exciting and I want to try it out. On the other hand, once it's introduced into an area, it will become an aggressive and invasive Summer weed that invades cool season lawn areas. UConn has been doing Bermuda trials for a while with the cold tolerant cultivars. Most years, they get enough to survive the Winter and spread in the late Spring and Summer to regenerate their test plot coverage.

Right now, low tech warm season overseeding is done (unintentionally) with crabgrass on school yards and the like in my area.

 

There are altheltic fields and golf courses doing this all over the transition zone. From what I have seen it's being done in zones 5b to 7b on the USDA plant hardiness map. There is not a ton of research available on it because it is still a relatively new concept. The biggest issue I can find with it is that most herbicides aren't compatible with both grass types and fertilizing Bermuda when it's going dormant is not a good idea, same goes for KBG. But there are plenty of examples of turf managers with successful fields if you search for them. I am seriously considering over seeding my backyard with KBG in the fall to see if it will work for me, I hate looking a my brown lawn when all the fescue around here is lush and green.

 

Yeah, the herbicide thing might be an issue for specialty herbicides since they're not really compatible. As far as fertilizing, spoon feeding with mostly organics would probably eliminate a lot of the issues since it's not enough to shock dormant grass. Very labor intensive and expensive, though. Probably not a good low input grass mix.

@Cory, I feel like you have nothing to lose by testing overseeding with KBG. It's going the other direction that I'd be hesitant to do...introducing Bermuda to areas where it shouldn't be. Maybe if there was a way to have a self contained lawn area surrounded by pavement...

Being on the border of the cool season area and transition zone (going by the newest boundaries, which have pushed North to Long Island Sound and Cape Cod in recent years), I feel like experimenting with Bermuda is probably in my future at some point down the road.

 

That's very interesting. My plan was to lay some HGT sod on some bare areas here pretty soon. The Bermuda will definitely spread to it so I guess I will have an experiment on my hands.

 

@Green understandable. Depending on the map you look at I'm on the opposite edge. I'm technically in zone 8a and NC State puts me in the costal plane region but I'm right on the border of both. Fescue is the only suggested cool season for me if you dive 20 min east there are a bunch of KBG lawns and fescue does really well here in the spring and fall but completely crispy in summer. So that's why I'm considering it, I want green spring and fall but would like to not have to overseed every year with rye then kill it off going into summer.

 

I have an existing patch of berfescue. About 3,500 sq ft total area. Been trying to kill off the invasive bermuda for a few years. Actually looks pretty good from a distance.

 

@Green understandable. Depending on the map you look at I'm on the opposite edge. I'm technically in zone 8a and NC State puts me in the costal plane region but I'm right on the border of both.

Yeah, we are 6b/7a up here, and can grow any cool season grass or Zoysia. But in the Summer, crabgrass typically takes over unmanaged lawns. Bermuda isn't a thought to most people because until recently there wasn't any that could survive below zero temps for sale.

 

I think if someone does this @Ware would have to create a special sub-forum just for them.. Is it a cool season? Warm season? :lol:

How about Lukewarm?

 

I think if someone does this @Ware would have to create a special sub-forum just for them.. Is it a cool season? Warm season? :lol:

How about Lukewarm?

:lol:

 

I think if someone does this @Ware would have to create a special sub-forum just for them.. Is it a cool season? Warm season? :lol:

How about Lukewarm?

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