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Hey God it's me again: holes in st Augustine blades

4.9K views 13 replies 5 participants last post by  TampaBayFL  
#1 ·
hey forum it's me again with another issue:

I inspected my st Augustine when I came home tonight (lol I do this every night) and found cut out holes in the blades.

I'm due for my monthly talstar extra treatment, Idon't recall seeing this the other day tho. I didn't see any visible damage to any areas during the day what could this be, cutworms?

Should the talstar treat any potential insect that could be the cause, also is preventative application still okay ?

Also unrelated: does fungicide treatments (preventative) stress out the grass?

I ask because I wanted to put down talstar and preventative (foliar) fungicide but figured it would be too much for the grass in one day.

Any thoughts for next month when I'm due for both treatments?
 
#2 ·
Without seeing a photo, I think many of us would guess that you have sod webworms (based on the description of there being holes in the middle of the leaf blades).

As these can be destructive, I would hit them a few times with something like grub ex (Chlorantraniliprole) and/or Bioadvanced grub killer (Trichlorfon). You will probably have to treat a few times over a few week period to break the cycle, but those insecticides will do it.

Telstar is bifenthrin (which I found to help with the sod web worms), but the other two I just mentioned were definitely much more effective and worked much more quickly. I continue to apply bifen (in addition to these other two) on roughly a monthly basis. Personally, I also add in imidicloprid every 3-4 months as well. In fact, your post is reminding me I am due :)
 
#3 ·
As for fungicide treatments stressing the grass......out all the fungicides I've used I've only noticed one that can have an effect on the grass if overapplied, and that is a propiconizole. It can stunt growth a little bit, and for some types of grass change their color.
 
#4 ·
@TampaBayFL

Sorry for the late, very late response! I'll try uploading some photos tomorrow, but I honestly haven't seen any real damage since my original post. I def want to keep a close eye in case it goes south real quick.

We finally had rain after two months so I'll see how it/if bounces back more over the next few days.

I have noticed some odd yellowing (very sparse) of some blades, but not a lot for concern. I do see some thinning in some Areas, which makes me believe it's possibly starting to show signs of disease. I have noticed moths in my yard but figured the imidocloprid application in may would have taken care of grubs.

Is the test for sod worms the same as checking for grubs or completely different insects therefore testing?

Would you recommend applying the Chlorantraniliprole/bio advance at the curative rate for the sections of the lawn that isn't affected?

I also apply the talstar extra monthly, is that too soon for granular? I couldn't seem to find any info on how long it lasts in Soil, only the liquid Bifen.

Last question- if I apply Trichlorfon,
should I hold off on the monthly talstar application?
 
#6 ·
That doesn't look like insect damage to me; it looks like damage from being bruised by a dull blade. Sharpening your blades is easier said than done when it comes to Saint Augustine (and Zoysia). They are tough grasses that even the sharpest blades struggle to cut cleanly. You have to really stay on top of it.
 
#12 ·
Boomhauer said:
@ionicatoms

Thanks again for your help, do you think I need to treat for anything at the moment based on what your seeing?
Hard to say without seeing a journal. Overall symptoms are not super alarming. I would investigate for the presence of sod webworms to try to understand what is scraping the leaf surface. They come out in the evening and can be found with a flashlight, or soapy water test.
 
#13 ·
ionicatoms said:
Here's what I think I see:

Shredded tips - blades dull or grass wet while cutting.
Leaf dying back from the tip - functional problem with plant vascular system, could be fungus or root-related issue.
Surface of leaf removed, one side only - early instar insect feeding, could be caterpillar/webworm.
100% agree with this. Dull blade, sod web worm, with possible fungus.
 
#14 ·
Im late to the reply party on this one......but no doubt there is some (small) amount of sod webworm damage, but the dull blade seems to be the bigger issue. Fungus (to some degree) may always be there, so just just a matter of minimizing it to your aesthetic preference. I hate fungus, so I tend to (probably overapply) fungicides proactively.