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Ridgerunner said:
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Will mine not get that color because there are no iron supplements mixed in with the straight urea?
That's certainly a possibility. What pH did your soil test report?
I had planned on it but decided not to check it again. I applied lime (80lbs total for 5,900 sq. ft.) and I was around a 6.5 in the Spring time when it was last checked.
 
ken-n-nancy said:
Lawndad said:
Hey everyone, I started the nitrogen program and I notice that my lawn (TTTF) is getting green, however, it's more of a brighter green than most other lawns around me that use your traditional mixed fertilizers.
Has the growth rate of your grass picked up following the urea applications? In other words, has it clearly responded to the urea by growing faster, but is remaining a brighter green?
I don't really see it growing too much faster than before. It's not anything that is extreme but I guess I could say it's definitely growing a little quicker than before.
 
I applied lime (80lbs total for 5,900 sq. ft.) and I was around a 6.5 in the Spring time when it was last checked.
The lime application could be the source of what you have observed. At higher pH, Fe becomes less available to turf (how significantly an impact lime at 14#/M would have would depend on soil CEC and iron levels). Secondly, lime can interfere with N availability to the turf. However, pursuant to current theories of causation, it is less likely that raising pH from 6.5 should have a great impact on that availability.
 
Does anyone grind up their urea before applying?

The stuff I bought from the feed store is rather large grained, which causes it to spread in a sporadic fashion.

Does this matter? Does it causes uneven distribution of N, or does watering it in spread it out?
 
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This is just a picture I found on google images, but the stuff I have is like the pellets on the right.

I'm holding my digital calipers in front of me now, and 2mm-4.75mm is definitely what I have, not 0.8mm-2mm

This was the only urea option at the feed store.

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Sinclair said:
This is just a picture I found on google images, but the stuff I have is like the pellets on the right.

I'm holding my digital calipers in front of me now, and 2mm-4.75mm is definitely what I have, not 0.8mm-2mm

This was the only urea option at the feed store.

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This is about the size of the stuff I buy. I have not had any trouble. I did however burn my grass a week or so ago from putting down some fert that was all clumpy(half inch) and stuck together from leaving the bag in the rain in my truck. As long as its not clumpy I am sure you will be fine.

If your worried about it I would just put it down lightly and in multiple directions to make sure you get even distribution.
 
wardconnor said:
This is about the size of the stuff I buy. I have not had any trouble. I did however burn my grass a week or so ago from putting down some fert that was all clumpy(half inch) and stuck together from leaving the bag in the rain in my truck. As long as its not clumpy I am sure you will be fine.

If your worried about it I would just put it down lightly and in multiple directions to make sure you get even distribution.
Thanks for the confidence, wardconnor. :thumbup:

I used this urea in it's unaltered state to do an app last Thursday, and I've seen no ill effect, but I'm curious if it could be more effective in a smaller particle size.

After watering none of it was visible. I did use the spreader on the lowest setting that allowed the urea to pass, and tried to walk multiple times and multiple directions until the full app was down.
 
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Sinclair said:
Does anyone grind up their urea before applying?

The stuff I bought from the feed store is rather large grained, which causes it to spread in a sporadic fashion.

Does this matter? Does it causes uneven distribution of N, or does watering it in spread it out?
A bit of searching online suggests granular is better. Apparently the finishing process and smaller size of prilled urea leads to increased leaching, water absorption (bad for storage), and volatilization. Additionally, prills are much softer than granules, which means prilled products tend to have more fines and dust/powder. Finally, since prills are smaller, they are lighter, which means their throw distance will be less when spreading. Typically, this is bad, as it can lead to uneven and "wavy" spreading.

Now, these potentially negative aspects of prilled urea should be much less impactful at the homeowner level compared to the industrial/agricultural level. But, I've found granular urea to be significantly cheaper than prilled urea. So, I'll be sticking with my granules. :thumbup:
 
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Mine looks like yours too. I never had a problem. I prefer the 1lb /M (0.5lbN/M) every two weeks to be super sure of no burning. With the drought and heat this year, I'm in a holding pattern with nitrogen.
 
Mine looks like the larger prills on the right. No issue with them. Well, other than maybe a recent over application :oops:
 
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Thanks guys, glad to know I didn't get some weirdo Canadian metric Urea! :lol:

(they restrict how much fun we can have with chemicals up here)
 
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Awesome thread! One thing I've wondered since learning about the aggressive fall regimen is, is there a recommended online source for Urea?

I'm one of those lazy bums who loves to shop on Amazon - anyone have luck sourcing their urea anywhere online? I am not honestly sure about any good local sources for me to pick it up.
 
aug0211 said:
Awesome thread! One thing I've wondered since learning about the aggressive fall regimen is, is there a recommended online source for Urea?

I'm one of those lazy bums who loves to shop on Amazon - anyone have luck sourcing their urea anywhere online? I am not honestly sure about any good local sources for me to pick it up.
Urea in Ohio costs less than $20 for 50# bag. You'll pay too much online. Ohio is farm country, you should have no problem sourcing it here. Where abouts in Ohio are you?
 
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Farm and feed or local co-op. Shipping a 50lb bag is too expensive. Also, sod farms or golf course might tell you where to go.

We probably have one more month, so keep that in mind. There is another approach that uses coated nitrogen, but I'm not too knowledgeable about it. I think Osuturfman is.

 
g-man said:
Farm and feed or local co-op. Shipping a 50lb bag is too expensive. Also, sod farms or golf course might tell you where to go.

We probably have one more month, so keep that in mind. There is another approach that uses coated nitrogen, but I'm not too knowledgeable about it. I think Osuturfman is.

Thanks, g-man! I'm not set on even hitting my lawn with it this year, since it's so young. Might hold off and only do the winterization portion at the end of the season.

I was able to find a place very close to me that will give me a 50# bag for $25 (Advanced Turf Solutions). Thanks for the help, all!
 
stotea said:
Ridgerunner said:
Urea in Ohio costs less than $20 for 50# bag.
$13 for me in MN. :thumbup:
That's cheap! $20 for me too although I'm not complaining :D
 
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aug0211 said:
Advanced Turf Solutions
I have an advance turf 10miles from me. You could get a lot of stuff (PreM) from them and they dont mind selling retail. I'm pretty sure you could get a better price for Urea, but at least you have a place to get it. A local feed store might also have ammonium sulfate or ammonium nitrate too or SOP.
 
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