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Great write up and thanks. Is this where we could post our questions regarding the program? If so, I had a few now and probably a few after. If not just let me know where to redirect these to.

* I normally aerate and seed a few bad areas in the Fall. Can I still do this program or does the Urea completely destroy and kill any new grass? Any tips on how to still do the program would be great.

* I do like to use a pre-m in the Fall if I can but there aren't too many that are available for seeding and on the cheaper side. Last year I used Scotts starter fert. with weed preventer but I wanted to get away from Scotts and try the Fall Nitrogen Program. Should I use another one that is safe for seeding or skip the Fall one and hit the Spring pre-m?

Thanks :thumbup:
 
I would say go ahead and ask them here - it may help someone down the road who has the same questions. :thumbup:
 
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Lawndad said:
Great write up and thanks. Is this where we could post our questions regarding the program? If so, I had a few now and probably a few after. If not just let me know where to redirect these to.

* I normally aerate and seed a few bad areas in the Fall. Can I still do this program or does the Urea completely destroy and kill any new grass? Any tips on how to still do the program would be great.

* I do like to use a pre-m in the Fall if I can but there aren't too many that are available for seeding and on the cheaper side. Last year I used Scotts starter fert. with weed preventer but I wanted to get away from Scotts and try the Fall Nitrogen Program. Should I use another one that is safe for seeding or skip the Fall one and hit the Spring pre-m?

Thanks :thumbup:
It is ok to ask here or start a thread or any of the above. I also started a 2017 thread just targeting the current year weather conditions.

  • When you plant and grow new seeds, it is ideal not to push top growth with fertilizer in the new young grass. This makes the roots not develop as strong for the winter (reserve carbs). So it is a choice of what is more important, the provide nitrogen to the current grass (thus sacrifice the new one) or ensure the new one establishes. If you have kbg in your lawn, I dont see the need to overseed every year. The nitrogen will make it spread and recover for minor summer damage (something less than 6in in diameter).

  • PreM and overseed dont go together. Tenacity will help keep weeds under control while the seed germinates, but it wears off (i think it last 30 days but I cant find a reference). A real preM (prodiamine, dimension, etc) that provides months of protections against all germination (desired grass and weeds). Always do the spring PreM. If you want to overseed, then you will need to skip the fall one.
 
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Lawndad said:
Great write up and thanks. Is this where we could post our questions regarding the program? If so, I had a few now and probably a few after. If not just let me know where to redirect these to.

* I normally aerate and seed a few bad areas in the Fall. Can I still do this program or does the Urea completely destroy and kill any new grass? Any tips on how to still do the program would be great.

* I do like to use a pre-m in the Fall if I can but there aren't too many that are available for seeding and on the cheaper side. Last year I used Scotts starter fert. with weed preventer but I wanted to get away from Scotts and try the Fall Nitrogen Program. Should I use another one that is safe for seeding or skip the Fall one and hit the Spring pre-m?

Thanks :thumbup:
It is ok to ask here or start a thread or any of the above. I also started a 2017 thread just targeting the current year weather conditions.

  • When you plant and grow new seeds, it is ideal not to push top growth with fertilizer in the new young grass. This makes the roots not develop as strong for the winter (reserve carbs). So it is a choice of what is more important, the provide nitrogen to the current grass (thus sacrifice the new one) or ensure the new one establishes. If you have kbg in your lawn, I dont see the need to overseed every year. The nitrogen will make it spread and recover for minor summer damage (something less than 6in in diameter).

  • PreM and overseed dont go together. Tenacity will help keep weeds under control while the seed germinates, but it wears off (i think it last 30 days but I cant find a reference). A real preM (prodiamine, dimension, etc) that provides months of protections against all germination (desired grass and weeds). Always do the spring PreM. If you want to overseed, then you will need to skip the fall one.
Great thanks. I have TTTF and not KBG. I have some rodent damage spots and a few patches of fine fescue that crept in that I wanted to kill and overseed. I guess I could hand overseed those spots and then maybe cover them up with a tarp when I am applying my urea. That would work, right? I'll skip my Fall pre-m then and hit it hard in the Spring. I hope I don't get too much Poa next year.
 
Fall pre-m is what helps with Poa for next year though... :(
 
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g-man said:
Fall PreM (if not overseeding)
August is also the time to apply a PreM barrier, especially if there was a wet or cool summer. The PreM applied in spring has broken down by now or was washed away by the rains. Poa annua germinates once the summer temps drop (Poa A is a cool season grass too), therefore a PreM now prevents it from establishing during the fall. You won't notice now, but next spring you will. I recommend prodiamine at 0.65 lbs ai/acre (0.24 fl oz/ksqft)rate.
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ericgautier said:
g-man said:
Fall PreM (if not overseeding)
August is also the time to apply a PreM barrier, especially if there was a wet or cool summer. The PreM applied in spring has broken down by now or was washed away by the rains. Poa annua germinates once the summer temps drop (Poa A is a cool season grass too), therefore a PreM now prevents it from establishing during the fall. You won't notice now, but next spring you will. I recommend prodiamine at 0.65 lbs ai/acre (0.24 fl oz/ksqft)rate.
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This is for if I'm not seeding a few spots, right? My game plan is to seed a few spots, do the N program but cover the areas that I'm seeding and probably skip the pre-m or see how pricy Tenacity is. I'd like to all the above but can't.
 
I have put some ideas together for my Fall plan incorporating the Fall N Blitz. Just wanted to get an opinion on this before I bought things and made moves. Here is what I'm thinking about for my 6,000 sq. ft. TTTF in NJ based on what I already learned in this thread. I thought this was good to post here because others may mold their plan from the info. gathered. :thumbup:

  • Get a PH soil test done at my County Extension in the next week or two. Add lime if needed.

  • I have some areas that need a little seed and I wanted to kill a few patches of fine fescue in the back to get some TTTF in there. I tried overseeding them last year and it's still patches of just fine fescue.
A)
I can either seed them early as I can maybe in next week or two and be careful dropping the urea near those areas or B.

B)
Go the route of TTTF sod (yes I said it. Sod! :oops: )If I go with sod then the urea shouldn't affect it too much because it's established. Would that be the better approach if I want to do the Fall N plan?

  • I do plan to core aerate. I have always done this with good results.

  • Add granular potash

  • As far a pre-m. I will look into Tupersan. I don't know if that's good for Poa and I know it's on the pricey side. If not maybe go the route of Tenacity or if it's too high I may roll the dice and just dig out my Poa spots in the Spring as I did this year. *Note: I did use Scotts Starter Fert. with weed preventer last year and still had Poa seep in there. So I don't know if the Mesotrione helped to suppress some of it or if I needed more applications of Tenacity alone.

From there I would just carry out the Fall N Blitz as noted. Would this Urea thicken any small bare spots because TTTF doesn't necessarily grow like Bermuda or KBG?

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Lawndad said:
I guess I could hand overseed those spots and then maybe cover them up with a tarp when I am applying my urea. That would work, right? I'll skip my Fall pre-m then and hit it hard in the Spring. I hope I don't get too much Poa next year.
I've done something similar to this with liquid pre-emergent that I did not want to hit certain spots with. I used plywood that I had sitting around and it worked well.
 
monty said:
Lawndad said:
I guess I could hand overseed those spots and then maybe cover them up with a tarp when I am applying my urea. That would work, right? I'll skip my Fall pre-m then and hit it hard in the Spring. I hope I don't get too much Poa next year.
I've done something similar to this with liquid pre-emergent that I did not want to hit certain spots with. I used plywood that I had sitting around and it worked well.
I figured that would be a decent idea that would work... I can at least try it.
 
Hey everyone, I started the nitrogen program and I notice that my lawn (TTTF) is getting green, however, it's more of a brighter green than most other lawns around me that use your traditional mixed fertilizers. The other lawns have a deeper green more of the bluish green color to them from just one application. I have two urea applications that I have applied so far. Will mine not get that color because there are no iron supplements mixed in with the straight urea?
 
Lawndad said:
Hey everyone, I started the nitrogen program and I notice that my lawn (TTTF) is getting green, however, it's more of a brighter green than most other lawns around me that use your traditional mixed fertilizers.
Has the growth rate of your grass picked up following the urea applications? In other words, has it clearly responded to the urea by growing faster, but is remaining a brighter green?
 
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