Good topic, following!

 

I added product links and corrected the spelling of "Cyzmic" in your post. :thumbup:

Also probably worth noting that Cyzmic CS is another product that is a little cheaper at Solutions Pest & Lawn.

If you are using a regular pump sprayer I would probably lean toward a dialed down adjustable cone nozzle for interior spraying (versus a fan tip). You will also probably find that spraying indoors around baseboards is a little cleaner with minimal pressure (just a couple pumps) - so a CF valve may not be the best option.

 

Thanks @Ware. Do you have any experience with Cyzmic CS versus Talstar P?

I saw your video on Talstar using the B&G can but at $260 I'm not there yet! I wonder if the brass tip that came with the Chapin would be the best option? I'll have to play around a bit with water first I suppose.

 

For the column of "let's not overthink this" I'll add this!!!!!

I purchased a 2 pack of Raid MAX bug barrier which included two 1 gallon pre-mix and a battery operated sprayer. I paid less than $20 for it and have had the stuff now for about 5 years. I treat the inside perimeter of a 6K VERY irregularly shaped house. At first sign of a "June bug" or ants or other in the house I walk the inside perimeter looking for bugs and spray the bottom edge of the baseboard on the exterior wall in that room and +/- one room from the siting. It is allowed to completely dry before the pets are allowed near those areas although they never have bothered with it.

I then replace the insulating strip back on the batteries so they won't "discharge bleed and leak" and put the jug back into the cabinet in the garage.

I'm STILL on the FIRST gallon. No mixing, no cleanup, no searching for sprayers, no fuss, no muss. Sometimes the pre-mix is the convenient and not cost prohibitive method. YMMV.

Here is a one gallon example of what is working for me. I'm in the DFW area and surrounded by trees and "natural areas". We've got bugs and this keeps them outside. Again, YMMV but it's pretty cheap to try IMO.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Raid-Max-Bug-Barrier-Trigger-Starter-Kit-1-Gallon/16622241?athcpid=16622241&athpgid=athenaItemPage&athcgid=null&athznid=PWVUB&athieid=v0&athstid=CS020&athguid=466001f5-46cfa622-53160dba9a18a716&athena=true

 

I contacted Do My Own for advice and was recommended Cyzmic CS over Talstar P due to the former's AI being encapsulated thus being able to last longer in rain, wind, sunlight, etc.

I can see why they recommended Cyzmic - $$. But $100 vs $40, will the AI really last 2.5 times longer? I only spray a couple times a year anyway. Food for thought.

 

I contacted Do My Own for advice and was recommended Cyzmic CS over Talstar P due to the former's AI being encapsulated thus being able to last longer in rain, wind, sunlight, etc.

I can see why they recommended Cyzmic - $$. But $100 vs $40, will the AI really last 2.5 times longer? I only spray a couple times a year anyway. Food for thought.

That's a very good point. I suppose I could do an extra outside spray if there was significant rain over the course of a month.

 

I use Cyzmic CS. It works great. It is a contact product (bug touches its) and the CS makes it last longer. UV (direct sunlight) breaks it down. It is a fairly safe product.

I do the perimeter of the house using a 2g chapin hand sprayer. I then do all the entry door frames, sliding doors, underneath the patio furniture, shrubs and stuff like that. I know I could use it indoors if needed, but just the outside keeps the bugs from getting in.

The 8oz container ($32) will last a long time. (0.2-0.4oz/gallon). Talstar is 1oz/g at $28 for 16oz. The net is the same price between the two.

Funny story: A pest control company showed up trying to sell me their services. I told him I was fine since I did it myself. He told me they use a professional product called Cyzmic CS and it was better than what I was doing. Since I was in the garage, I then showed him my bottle of Cyzmic CS. He was floored that I could buy it online and that it should be illegal for me to apply it. He then asked me not to tell the neighbors about it since it will hurt his business.

 

I use Cyzmic CS. It works great. It is a contact product (bug touches its) and the CS makes it last longer. UV (direct sunlight) breaks it down. It is a fairly safe product.

I do the perimeter of the house using a 2g chapin hand sprayer. I then do all the entry door frames, sliding doors, underneath the patio furniture, shrubs and stuff like that. I know I could use it indoors if needed, but just the outside keeps the bugs from getting in.

The 8oz container ($32) will last a long time. (0.2-0.4oz/gallon). Talstar is 1oz/g at $28 for 16oz. The net is the same price between the two.

Funny story: A pest control company showed up trying to sell me their services. I told him I was fine since I did it myself. He told me they use a professional product called Cyzmic CS and it was better than what I was doing. Since I was in the garage, I then showed him my bottle of Cyzmic CS. He was floored that I could buy it online and that it should be illegal for me to apply it. He then asked me not to tell the neighbors about it since it will hurt his business.

Thanks @g-man. So when applying to the exterior/perimeter of your home do you get it done with 1 or 2 gallons of water? I know this will vary depending upon size of ones home but I'm just curious.

The reason I started this thread was because we had an exterminator spray and it was $150. I knew I could save money. I'll keep my bottle close by to show whoever may stop by selling a service

 

The 8oz container ($32) will last a long time. (0.2-0.4oz/gallon). Talstar is 1oz/g at $28 for 16oz. The net is the same price between the two.

Excellent catch! My bad. I only use 0.75oz/g but the Cyzmic still sounds better than the bifenthrin.

 

I use 1 gallon for all the above. I do adjust the spray pattern (turn style nozzle). Around the perimeter it is more of a stream and I only hit the ~4in of concrete between the siding and soil. For the other areas (shrubs, under the tables, under the grill, etc) it is more of a mist. It is amazing the mount of dead bugs I find the next day around the garage door rubber piece.

I've read and the mist option works best for this product. It really doesnt need that much for it to work. I do the stream around the house just to go faster. I apply it around once a month to 1.5 months.

@dfw_pilot I'm thinking of buying a Talstar next year and alternate every other month. This is mainly to avoid pest resistance. Both are great products and are what most pest companies use. It is fairly inexpensive to DIY. The $30 will last me 4 years (0.4oz * 5 months/year).

 

I like @g-man's idea of rotating, so I went ahead and ordered an 8oz bottle of Cyzmic CS from Solutions Pest & Lawn. The price was $28.21 delivered. Thanks guys! :thumbup:

 

Here is the Talstar P I use at $33.98/qt.

And here is the B&G Sprayer I use for interior/perimeter spraying. They are expensive, but the pin stream it will lay down is amazing. :thumbup:

https://youtu.be/oROETPQjPHs​

 

I like the idea of rotating as well and will order both. I'll probably apply the Cyzmic CS during the rainy season here.

How often are you guys spraying. What months? I know that will vary by location. Maybe @g-man could best answer this as he is somewhat close to me.

 

I have been spraying the Talstar every 30-60 days or so.

 

Some marketing promo for Demand CS (Cyzmic CS).

http://www.syngentaebiz.com/productsystem/ImageHandler.ashx?ImID=3201f575-afc7-41e9-bf50-94ee5bd214fb&fTy=0&t=0

 

Funny story: A pest control company showed up trying to sell me their services. I told him I was fine since I did it myself. He told me they use a professional product called Cyzmic CS and it was better than what I was doing. Since I was in the garage, I then showed him my bottle of Cyzmic CS. He was floored that I could buy it online and that it should be illegal for me to apply it. He then asked me not to tell the neighbors about it since it will hurt his business.

:lol:

 

When I moved a year and a half ago I let the local dominant pest control company sign me up because I had more important things to worry about than spraying for bugs. But I just discontinued them.

They used Demand CS. It doesn't have any scent at all. I remember when the "bug man" used to spray Dursban (which you can still get from Ag suppliers. You knew you had been treated.

Has anyone added Insect Growth Regulator to their mixes??

 

Has anyone added Insect Growth Regulator to their mixes??

I have not, but have a friend that adds Tekko Pro to his mix. It is my understanding IGR's disrupt the life cycle by keeping juvenile insects from growing into adults and reproducing. You don't get the immediate knockdown, but it's supposed to be a great long term solution because it helps prevent rebound of the insect population. :thumbsup:

 

^ Just when I was understanding PGRs you all throw IGRs into the mix :lol:

 

^ Just when I was understanding PGRs you all throw IGRs into the mix :lol:

I wonder if it does the same thing to bugs that pgr does for grass. If you see any short upper bodied, deeply colored bugs with long healthy legs get some pictures.

 

^ Just when I was understanding PGRs you all throw IGRs into the mix :lol:

I wonder if it does the same thing to bugs that pgr does for grass. If you see any short upper bodied, deeply colored bugs with long healthy legs get some pictures.

:rofl:

 

Just ordered my bottle of Cyzmic CS through the Pest Solutions link. Thanks @Ware for the link as I was really just looking at Do My Own and saved $4! I'll post up here once I make an application on how it went. Maybe a few pics.

 

It's been a little while since I ordered from Solutions but this coupon was on the last box. Not sure if it's still active or not but worth a shot to try it.

 

It's been a little while since I ordered from Solutions but this coupon was on the last box. Not sure if it's still active or not but worth a shot to try it.

Thanks!! I should order Talstar P now and see if it works...

 

Good thread, after that last thread was started and I realized I pay $75 quarterly for a company to come spray my perimeter with talstar, I will be making the investment on items to do this myself. I've also started looking into termite bait systems to do away with the same company charging me $350 a year to dig a damn trench around my house and put whatever liquid they do. Also terminex came by one day talking all high and mighty about some special dust they put in weep holes, spent a little time on domyown and bingo bango I find this magical dust.