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I apologize if I missed it, but when is the best time to seed Bermuda? I assumed with it being a warm season grass it would be spring/summer. I am in the transition zone and thinking of seeding Bermuda rather than TTTF.
 
Cjkessler said:
I apologize if I missed it, but when is the best time to seed Bermuda? I assumed with it being a warm season grass it would be spring/summer. I am in the transition zone and thinking of seeding Bermuda rather than TTTF.
Spring or summer for sure. I'm in the transition zone as well. I'd probably wait until around May. You need temps to consistently be in the 80s during the day. Plenty of time between now and then to prepare.
 
Spring or summer for sure. I'm in the transition zone as well. I'd probably wait until around May. You need temps to consistently be in the 80s during the day. Plenty of time between now and then to prepare.
What about timing around premergent? If it goes down in march, then a split app would be in may. How can I keep up a weed prevention and seed?
 
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What about timing around premergent? If it goes down in march, then a split app would be in may. How can I keep up a weed prevention and seed?
What kind of Warm Season grass are you trying to seed? Usually you forgo the PreM when you are planning to seed as those 2 can't coexist.
 
@Mightyquinn I have 2 questions.

First, why does every season (except for winter) have the following line:

As stated above, if you have not applied a pre-emergent herbicide yet, NOW is the best time to do so.
Asking because I am trying to make sure when I should be applying my prodiamine vs my Celsius/Certainty combo....I am looking to verify if prodiamine is largely an all year round application. I wasn't sure if this because there are so many weeds that have differing germination rates that require you to always use it, or if this was not meant to be put in the guidance this way.

And second, I've been told to that Celsius/Certainty yield the best results when applied at hot temperatures. Is this considered 80+ or 90+? I know that I cannot use an NIS for 90+, but I do want to iron out the temperature "floor" that I should be waiting for before I use this one.
 
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I probably need to go through that and update it with more/better information as I know something’s have changed since it was originally written.

I would say when your daytime temperatures are in the 80’s would be optimal but even in the mid 70’s you should be good to go. Just know that the higher temperatures will cause them to kill the weeds faster. So if it’s in the 70’s it will take 2-4 weeks for the weeds to die off completely.
 
I probably need to go through that and update it with more/better information as I know something’s have changed since it was originally written.

I would say when your daytime temperatures are in the 80’s would be optimal but even in the mid 70’s you should be good to go. Just know that the higher temperatures will cause them to kill the weeds faster. So if it’s in the 70’s it will take 2-4 weeks for the weeds to die off completely.
I will definitely wait between the 80s and 90s before applying my combo.

When you have time, I would be interested still in clarity on the months or window to apply the pre-emergents though. From the guide it looks like an all year round thing, and I just wanted to be clear on that before I applied it that often.
 
I will definitely wait between the 80s and 90s before applying my combo.

When you have time, I would be interested still in clarity on the months or window to apply the pre-emergents though. From the guide it looks like an all year round thing, and I just wanted to be clear on that before I applied it that often.
If you search the forum at the top you should find plenty of info on it, but a quick run down is you’re locked to a yearly rate on something like prodiamine. Ideally you want coverage year around, this can be done from two split apps at half a yearly rate, one in the fall primarily targeting poa annua, and one in the early spring - primarily targeting crabgrass. There’s other types of pre emergents that are better at other things due to different active ingredients but that’s where you’ll need to do some research.

Some people also do quarterly apps and usually have good success with it, I personally haven’t started doing that yet.
 
@turfnsurf - I’m a big fan of rotating a fresh pre-‘em barrier in the soil every 3-4 months. This helps with my location’s temperature fluctuations & any environmental factors that may come into play. Rotating between multiple pre-‘em also give a different moa & helps to avoid the yearly max rates. Just my opinion
 
I will definitely wait between the 80s and 90s before applying my combo.

When you have time, I would be interested still in clarity on the months or window to apply the pre-emergents though. From the guide it looks like an all year round thing, and I just wanted to be clear on that before I applied it that often.
If I'm understanding your question right, you're basically wondering why every quarter it says "If you haven't applied pre-emergent, now is the time to do so". It's not saying to put down pre-e every quarter, it's saying better late than never. There's optimal times to put down pre-emergent, but if you didn't put any down in the spring, go ahead and do it in the summer this year. You do have to abide by the maximum total yearly rate, as adamac21 points out.

This is a separate thing from what Warm&Cool is talking about with rotating various types of pre-e.
 
I probably need to go through that and update it with more/better information as I know something’s have changed since it was originally written.

I would say when your daytime temperatures are in the 80’s would be optimal but even in the mid 70’s you should be good to go. Just know that the higher temperatures will cause them to kill the weeds faster. So if it’s in the 70’s it will take 2-4 weeks for the weeds to die off completely.
I've downloaded the PDF and have sent it to many people over the years. It would be great for an update. I've edited it slightly myself for my neighborhood friends since we all have Tifway 419. I really appreciate the work you put into it!
 
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Hey @Mightyquinn ... quick question... Are you involved with Bermuda Bible: The New Testament - Bermuda Bible ? It's using your verbiage of The New Testament, etc.

If so, great, we can send folks there from other forums (Facebook, etc.). But if not, that's a whole different story...
Nope, that’s not me, not sure who did that. It’s just something I put together from other sources many years ago. It’s due for an update, just got to find the time to do it.
 
Can I use Celsius in the same tank as I use other products? I really wanna take control of my weed infested back yard and have my Bermuda spread out, but I don't want to damage my tall fescue in the front yard. I've seen people use glyphosate in a tank, clean it real well, and then use a different product in that same tank and the grass will get damaged anyway. I plan on using insecticides, pre emergents, post emergents, and possibly fertilizers in the same tank to take care of a cool season front yard and warm season back yard.
 
I use the same tank for everything but glyphosate. I do a deep clean and spray out with water after each run. I tank mix some herbicides too. Personally, I would keep two separate tanks. One for cool season and one for warm. A lot of the warm season herbicides are usually not safe on cool season but that would be me being extra cautious. Clean the tank well and remember to rinse out the wand.
 
I’d say im along the lines of a lawn rebel and never rinse my backpack sprayer out. Glyphosate, post emergent, fungicide, pesticide, regulator. Dump out what little product is left after and then the next time I spray I just spray a bit onto the rocks and get going. Never had a problem
 
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