1 acre = 43.5 ksqft

1000/43.5 = 23lb/ksqft

 

I like that how UMass referred to the time for renovation as being "late summer."

Right. The OP is in Massatuchetts. That is why I linked the UoMA info. Yalls climate is way differnet up there. Yalls late summer is most likley like our early fall.

I usally trend the weather in my area instead of going by a month or "season"

 

as a general rule increasing the seeding rate by 50 % to compensate for poor conditions.

egggzactly. unless your perfect, a little extra isnt going to hurt.

I know alot of people say its bad.......but alot of it isnt going to make it anyways in the real world...

more is better than less in my book.....and the weather is a huge variable.https://ag.umass.edu/home-lawn-garden/fact-sheets/lawn-renovation-overseeding

10 pounds per thousand is too much?

Only if I am selling you seed No.

3-5 pounds per 1000. You need a 100 pounds.

https://ag.umass.edu/home-lawn-garden/fact-sheets/lawn-renovation-overseeding

https://turf.umn.edu/news/consider-dormant-seeding-your-lawn-fall

Wow great article thanx!

 

Can u actually put down too much seed?

Yes, you can absolutely put down too much seed. Less is better especially since you are using KBG which is rhizomatous. Too many grass plants will fight for nutrients and water and will result in overall weaker, shallower rooted grass plants. It may all stay green through the winter, but come next year when warmer temps and less regular rainfall are the norm, you are more likely to experience dieback. Ask me how I know. :roll:

Less is more unless you are selling grass seed.

I am asking how you know...................................................................................................................

 

as for dormant seeding, how will it germinate when your pre emergent is applied in early spring?

10 pounds per thousand is too much?

Only if I am selling you seed No.

3-5 pounds per 1000. You need a 100 pounds.

https://ag.umass.edu/home-lawn-garden/fact-sheets/lawn-renovation-overseeding

https://turf.umn.edu/news/consider-dormant-seeding-your-lawn-fall

Wow great article thanx!

 

Thanx for all your hell guys

I wish I could have seeded earlier but work crazy hours and needed my irrigation guy to expand my zones.

Plus cleared some brush to make room for more grass

I hope I am not too late but I see some mid 70s next week which should help

Where in MA are you? I'm near Springfield and generally people seed here until Oct. 1 with success. Although it was 34F this morning!

Raynham.... Yes last few days been very cold

I have no germination and it has been 9 days

 

Raynham.... Yes last few days been very cold

I have no germination and it has been 9 days

I looked you up on the USDA Zone map and it looks like you are in Zone 6B, so you are actually a bit warmer than I am here. You're also closer to the ocean, so you have more moderating effects from the water and less likely to have an early frost. I'm in the valley, so there are greater swings here between day and night temps.

As far as germination rates:

Perennial Rye: 5-10 days.

Tall Fescue: 10-14 days.

Red and Chewings Fescue: 6-10 days.

Hard Fescue: 7-14 days.

Bluegrass: 14-30 days.

 

Ask me how I know. :roll:

Less is more unless you are selling grass seed.

I am asking how you know...................................................................................................................

Ummm, because I did this last fall and although it started out well and was green all winter and through early spring, grass blades were thin even though it was KY-31. This is a grass which characteristically has thick blades and sends down deep roots, however, by spring, the roots were still only around 2 inches deep. As soon as daytime temps were above 70 in May, it started browning. It was mostly dead by mid-June. There are a few surviving clumps left here and there which have since sent down deep roots.

That's how I know. :nod:

 

Ask me how I know. :roll:

Less is more unless you are selling grass seed.

I am asking how you know...................................................................................................................

Ummm, because I did this last fall and although it started out well and was green all winter and through early spring, grass blades were thin even though it was KY-31 which is a thick bladed grass! It also did not send down the deep roots that are characteristic of tall fescue. As soon as daytime temps were above 70 in May, it started browning. It was mostly dead by mid-June. There are a few clumps left here and there which have sent down deep roots.

That's how I know. :nod:

 

I don't think you can over-do it; for golf courses and athletic fields, 100 pounds per 1000 sq ft is recommended for overseeds.

Can you point to an article with that recommendation?

@sheepfescue no source? Made up number? 10lb /1000sqft?

At 100lb/ksqft you will likely be topdressing with seeds and walking on seeds instead of soil.

 

topdressing with seeds and walking on seeds instead of soil.

Totally my thought too. :thumbup:

 

I don't think you can over-do it; for golf courses and athletic fields, 100 pounds per 1000 sq ft is recommended for overseeds.

Can you point to an article with that recommendation?

@sheepfescue no source? Made up number? 10lb /1000sqft?

At 100lb/ksqft you will likely be topdressing with seeds and walking on seeds instead of soil.

10lbs per 1000 sq ft sounds way more accurate than 100lbs per sq ft. The recommended rates for seeding are:

Ryegrass: 8-10 lbs per 1000 sq ft.

Bluegrass: 2-3 lbs per 1000 sq ft.

Fescues (except red): 5-6 lbs per 1000 sq ft.

Red fescue: 4-5 lbs per 1000 sq ft.

 

This is the chart from site 1 if that helps.

 

Temps will be around 80 this week, so hopefully that sticks around for a bit.

 

Temps will be around 80 this week, so hopefully that sticks around for a bit.

Of course at higher temps, you will need to be more vigilant about keeping the seed moist.

 

This is the chart from site 1 if that helps.

Wow that is a hell of a find

So my guess on my new lesco spreader was about right.

Thanx for that

 

Temps will be around 80 this week, so hopefully that sticks around for a bit.

Yes I know 👍👍

I have irrigation so running it 3 times per day

 

No problem. My site 1 guys are great. Very friendly to diy novices. When I bought my seed they had me take a picture of the chart so I wouldn't forget what setting / lbs of seed they recommend.

 

No problem. My site 1 guys are great. Very friendly to diy novices. When I bought my seed they had me take a picture of the chart so I wouldn't forget what setting / lbs of seed they recommend.

This is the chart from site 1 if that helps.

Wow that is a hell of a find

So my guess on my new lesco spreader was about right.

Thanx for that