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Princess77 Lawn Reno Thread!!!!!! and mysterious lawn journey

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I have been putting this off long enough. It is time to start this renovation thread. As some of you may remember, I started my journey with the St. Aug conundrum tread. I don't know how to make the words hyperlink but there it is. https://thelawnforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1398 I am going to recap some of that stuff(more pictures than anything) and bring everyone up to speed.
I have to give credit where credit is due. This all started with LCN's Lawn Domination video and spiraled out of control from there. I watched every video that he had gathering as much info as I could and treating it as gospel and became obsessed with this art form called "Lawn Striping" (Milo is still my favorite outdoor smell). I will say I do miss some of his older stuff but I am glad to see his success and still watch every Sunday. I will get the "Thrower down" tee and maybe a sticker (don't worry TLF swag too). This is where my wanting to push St. Augustine came from. Now, before I loose too many of yall, I started to come across some other characters in the land of youtube. There was a guy who amazed me with his diamond patterns, red beard and the fact he would film from his neighbors lawn. Another who lived in the middle of the mountains and cattle fields but seemed to have a golf course in the middle of it. Finally, some guy who is obsessed with leveling his lawn and is the envy of every cool season guy this winter(no winterization of mower for him). I quickly found out that you cant make St A look like a golf course. This was my new obsession..........

Before all of this, at my last property, we had to fill and re-level the entire lot (1/4 acre) so there was a lot of research put into how and what to do. About 20 trees were cut, stumps ground and river sand was brought in and good ol' contractor blend was put down for learning purposes. Princess 77 was the wish but we didn't want to cut our teeth on something that was so expensive on land that was super shady and flooded all the time (house is raised). Kept it clean and did a little domination there but nothing crazy. This is now a rental property for us.
Moved last May to the current project house. Where do I even begin?

The house was built in 1983 and not much has changed since then. Some stuff here and there on the inside but this is not a home reno thread (I am currently doing a live in reno inside as well, lots of projects). It is roughly 18K square feet of green space. Most of which has not been maintained for the past 10 years, at least, and there were patches of overgrown shrubs and stumps, etc. The last major "action" the lawn has seen was in 2005 with hurricane Katrina where they had lost some trees. Fast forward a couple of years and the stumps have rotted away and left a very un-level lawn.
We moved in and the first task was to get a legitimate privacy fence up. Cleared all the overgrowth, brush, and about a thousand (maybe 15) azaleas, attached the truck to some prehistoric box woods and gave them a good yank. Removed all the old chain link, non cemented spaced picket and farm style fences.

2 days of stumpgrinding later I had something to work with. The fence goes up and now it is time to get going on landscaping and the lawn. At first I wanted to see if I could get a good strong St. A lawn going and be the envy of all the neighborhood. I quickly realized that my riding mower cut to low for St. A and ended up not helping it out too much. The lawn did get better for what it was. The lawn consisted of some St. A, Centipede, Dollar weed, and a crap ton of nutsedge. This is what I call my garden salad. Did some plugging and did alright but I was longing for that wow factor, something was missing. All hope was lost and I was found questioning the very meaning of what it was to have a nice lawn and I found this site which quickly changed my attitude. To see that people were able to produce golf quality lawns amazed and intrigued me. Being an alpha type personality, only this would do. I life in a community that is very heavy on retired aged individuals, who have time to garden, and is on a lake. I need to show them that us young-un's are up to the task of showing them how its done. I no longer was going to hide behind that tall grass and try and stipe at St. A lawn that was a hodgepodge of crap and going to take FOREVER to fully fill in with out sodding, both front and back. I now had a purpose and direction to go. I like a challenge and being different, that's where seeding Princess77 comes into play. Someone has to do it right? plus I like the ability to overseed, just in case.

I came up with a plan, with some of yalls advice, and started putting it into action around last Sept/Oct. I brought in about 60 yards of just fill (organic muck) to build beds and take care of some of my really low spots. Really wanted to rough some stuff in and get a layout together. To keep it all in place I threw down 100lbs of ARG to dominate in winter and keep my sanity. I was glad to see the success of @Ware during the winter months. This will also go down next year as well, to dominate(of course) and keep the back yard from getting muddy from the dogs running on dormant turf. Plus I just think its fun to do and looks great on Christmas.

We had some drainage issues in the back yard so the wife and I put in some ponds (3 total) attached to some French drains and boy has it helped. I have removed 5 demo bags and a my trucks flat bed full of broken concrete and just crap that we have un-earthed from the back yard. I forgot to take a photo.

I have gone full North Korea and activated the full nuclear option to the entire lawn. Death had to come to my beloved Garden Salad lawn And let me tell you, it takes a long time to spray 18K with a 2 gallon hand cannon. Everything is starting to orange up and I will do another follow up application to the green areas this weekend. Once everything meets its end in about 2 weeks I am going to rake up what I can and roto-till the entire property. Remember, nothing has been done to this lawn so it is like walking on concrete due to years of compaction. A simple core aeration will not do. After that I am going to drag everything out and get a nice and level seedbed. You know what comes next.................. seeds, seeds and seeds with some fert of course. The rest will be history......

To aide in my endeavors I was fortunate enough to win one of the JD 220B's from the weeks turf auction. I can't even explain how excited I am to use that bad boy. I turn wrenches so look out in the equipment treads for some questions I may have.

Thanks again to all the help and advice on this forum. I am a member of many and this is one of the best examples of how forums can assist and educate people. My wife hates you guys and this site because it fuels my obsession and she rolls her eyes at the memes and corny jokes.

Updates to come.............. Keep up the Green Fight!






May last year










Cleaning up crap














Fence work














Fill and bobcat work, with some Halloween action








Winter lawn








Pond building








And finally, before the kill
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Looking forward to seeing the princess 77 renovation. It was between that and Yukon for me and I went with Yukon for this years renovation. Very impressed you killed it with a 2 gallon sprayer. That's dedication.
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Truck getting some








Missed this one with some overgrowth in the back, before and after



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Flagstone path construction in the front yard




Whew! Bit of a dump on that. I just need to keep it up to date now
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Looking good! It'll be nice to follow another reno this spring/summer. Do you have irrigation? It takes a lot of water to seed and keeping the Bermuda seedlings from drying out during the summer. Check out my Reno from last year if you haven't already, I seeded Riviera.

Not to burst your bubble but it's recommended not to overseed on year one. Not to worry though as my yard has held up fantastic to 2 kids and a full grown Golden Retriever during its first winter.

For initial dirt work I would highly recommend a Harley Rake. I think @Tellycoleman will back me on that recommendation. It will make your life 100x easier.

Love the enthusiasm and keep up the good work. YouTube Harley Rakes, some companies call them Soil Conditioners like Bobcat who I rented mine from.
FRD135i said:
red beard and the fact he would film from his neighbors lawn.
He sounds like a weirdo to me.... I'm Happy to see a P77 Reno in the works!
J_nick said:
Do you have irrigation?
I have some badass impacts I will have to move around, I'm thinking before and after work

Not to burst your bubble but it's recommended not to overseed on year one.
Just following the bag for the first year
Redtenchu said:
FRD135i said:
red beard and the fact he would film from his neighbors lawn.
He sounds like a weirdo to me.... I'm Happy to see a P77 Reno in the works!
I think he is..... haha. Need some JD 220B backlapping vids from him though or tips in general......... ;)
FRD135i said:
I think he is..... haha. Need some JD 220B backlapping vids from him though or tips in general......... ;)
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I'm impressed with your work so far and would love to see you succeed. The cost of the seed alone will be substantial for the area you are going to cover. My only concern with your plan is the irrigation. As temps rise, you will likely need to be watering multiple times per day. Before and after work may not be enough to get complete germination/coverage. If this were my property, I would by a less expensive seed like Maya (tested very well against Princess and Riveria in the last NTEP) and put the extra money into more sprinklers, hose timers, etc to ensure that you are getting sufficient watering during the day. I will be watching for sure!
J_nick said:
For initial dirt work I would highly recommend a Harley Rake. I think @Tellycoleman will back me on that recommendation. It will make your life 100x easier.
Well, until Telly arrives, I'll chime in suggesting the harley rake as well. My yard is 13k. I did a reno on about 10k of it and the harley rake made my life so much easier in terms of spreading dirt, smoothing, and general surface prep.
Spammage said:
I'm impressed with your work so far and would love to see you succeed. The cost of the seed alone will be substantial for the area you are going to cover. My only concern with your plan is the irrigation. As temps rise, you will likely need to be watering multiple times per day. Before and after work may not be enough to get complete germination/coverage. If this were my property, I would by a less expensive seed like Maya (tested very well against Princess and Riveria in the last NTEP) and put the extra money into more sprinklers, hose timers, etc to ensure that you are getting sufficient watering during the day. I will be watching for sure!
Thanks!

Got my 25lb bag ready to go. 1lb per thousand but the front is getting 2lbs. Has a higher seed density than other cultivars. I know I may need to hit the backyard up again but time will tell.

It can work to my advantage/disadvantage that we get pop-up showers on almost a daily basis starting in spring. Temps get high but the humidity gets higher. Stays pretty wet around these parts. I have multiple heads linked together and the wife is going to assist with watering during the day as well. She was responsible for the other house seeding project and knocked it out of the park. I'm trying to cover my bases as much as possible.

I really appreciate the info and help covering all of my bases.
Movingshrub said:
J_nick said:
For initial dirt work I would highly recommend a Harley Rake. I think @Tellycoleman will back me on that recommendation. It will make your life 100x easier.
Well, until Telly arrives, I'll chime in suggesting the harley rake as well. My yard is 13k. I did a reno on about 10k of it and the harley rake made my life so much easier in terms of spreading dirt, smoothing, and general surface prep.
Going to have to see if there is one available through my peeps around here
I feel your pain when it comes to removing shrubbery and overgrowth off of the property. I got my fill of it about a month ago when I cleared my fence line from the adjoining plot. Looking forward to seeing your progress. Good luck, follow the recommendations that people are making, and would consider getting irrigation put in if you can afford it. It makes your life and your renovation go much easier.
How are you killing off the existing turf & weeds?
Colonel K0rn said:
I feel your pain when it comes to removing shrubbery and overgrowth off of the property. I got my fill of it about a month ago when I cleared my fence line from the adjoining plot. Looking forward to seeing your progress. Good luck, follow the recommendations that people are making, and would consider getting irrigation put in if you can afford it. It makes your life and your renovation go much easier.
Sadly, not in the budget this season. Too much going on, still have house reno's too. Wish I could. I will do my best to take all advise on board.
Movingshrub said:
How are you killing off the existing turf & weeds?
Glyphosate, glyphosate, glyphosate.
FRD135i said:
Movingshrub said:
How are you killing off the existing turf & weeds?
Glyphosate, glyphosate, glyphosate.
I'm asking for particulars. How much? How often? How many times?
Movingshrub said:
FRD135i said:
Movingshrub said:
How are you killing off the existing turf & weeds?
Glyphosate, glyphosate, glyphosate.
I'm asking for particulars. How much? How often? How many times?
Oh haha, gotcha.
Really just following the label. %41 HDX 5oz per 2gal for about 1000 sqft. 7 days ago. I am going to cut and respray the green growers this weekend. Hopefully by next I should be good to rake and till. Let's see if the weather cooperates. Hopefully seeding 2 weeks after till.
What are your soil temps? Bermuda germinates best when soil temps are 65°+
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