thank you greendoc. In your opinoin, how long is the bounce back from scorching say on SA. I know its variable best on turf health, but just in general. I currently have no sedge remedy other than buying small packs of sedgehammer (paying a premium locally). I could spray early in AM to avoid the heat issue.

 

It takes 3-4 weeks for all of the scorching to go away on St Augustine. That is one grass I try not to ever damage. Other sedge remedy that I like is Image(Imazaquin). This is a long forgotten product, but it is very effective is used correctly. You are supposed to broadcast apply and then water it in a day later. This one goes down into the soil where the tubers of the sedges are and can stay in soil for months. It also has a substantial growth regulator effect on the grass that can turn into damage if the turf is not healthy.

Unfortunately, spraying at a time when it is cooler and then having the temperature rise later in the day or next day does not get around the heat issue. I have two different sets of weed control programs. One is for when there is no rain, high temperatures and mostly sunny weather. There is another program for cloudy weather and cooler weather. Quicksilver is part of the hot weather program. I use it with Image as well. One of the complaints about Image is how slow it works and how it seems that the weed is still alive weeks later. That is because Image is an intense growth regulator for weeds. The old way to use Image was with MSMA on Bermuda and Zoysia. The MSMA would quickly scorch off the tops of the Nutsedge and Kyllinga while growth regulation from the Image would set in. Without MSMA being legal outside of golf courses, I use either Dismiss or Quicksilver to get that scorching effect needed. Quicksilver will scorch Sedges. The good people at FMC told me to tank mix my sedge controls with Quicksilver to get the rapid damage to sedges. Prior to that, I would have to do a lot of "splainin" as to why the sedges were not turning brown a week after I treated. People were used to what MSMA would do.

 

@Colonel K0rn What did I miss here? What is this combination? FAS? Feature? I am assuming these are Iron products to green up the yard? You got a link to the thread this was discussed?

 

@Colonel K0rn What did I miss here? What is this combination? FAS? Feature? I am assuming these are Iron products to green up the yard? You got a link to the thread this was discussed?

FEature was a product that @Greendoc brought to our attention in MQ's Liquid Lawn Fertilizing thread. This is the link to the post where GD mentioned it, and a few of us ordered it from ePestHero. Price is affordable, and I've had really good results with it. I'm going to have to wait for things to dry out a bit before I can even get out and spray anything. I can't even cut most of the yard right now due to downright soupy conditions, with over 3.25" of rain predicted to fall within the next 10 days thanks to TS Alberto. I'm hoping it goes further west, and makes landfall near TX coast or along LA or MS so my boy @thegrassfactor can get some rain in Knoxville.

 

@Colonel K0rn Oh nice thanks. So is this a direct alternative to FAS or any other iron products?

Well the wether for us has been a complete disaster for me on making a decision for doing anything. For the last 2 weeks I don't think i've seen a prediction of rain of 50% or higher for every day it seems. I think it's rained once lightly and then once yesterday with a downpour. It's completely screwed up my plans to level and I don't know what to do anymore haha. Well he should have gotten some rain from the mess yesterday at least.

 

From what I understand MSMA doesn't mix well. I have identified the stuff growing in my yard as "large crabgrass". I also have a couple other things that need to be taken care of.
I guess my question is how would a mixture of Celsius and speed zone compare with msma for the eradication of crabgrass. Temps are mid to upper 80s in MS right now.

Can you mix MSMA with anything else?

 

From what I understand MSMA doesn't mix well. I have identified the stuff growing in my yard as "large crabgrass". I also have a couple other things that need to be taken care of.
I guess my question is how would a mixture of Celsius and speed zone compare with msma for the eradication of crabgrass. Temps are mid to upper 80s in MS right now.

Can you mix MSMA with anything else?

This is what I used to use commercially for taking down large grassy weeds. MSMA 11/2-2 oz, Simazine 0.5 oz + Label rate of Image(Imazaquin). Crabgrass and Goosegrass that has turned perennial from being in a frost free area dead.

 

I have a different question related to this thread not discussed yet- what is the difference between a NIS & Methylated Seed Oil? When do you use each? I've seen many labels require a NIS, but never seen mention of methylated seed oil.

 

I have a different question related to this thread not discussed yet- what is the difference between a NIS & Methylated Seed Oil? When do you use each? I've seen many labels require a NIS, but never seen mention of methylated seed oil.

I think MSO promotes better herbicide absorption but can also cause damage to desirable crops if applied during hot temps.

 

@Colonel K0rn What did I miss here? What is this combination? FAS? Feature? I am assuming these are Iron products to green up the yard? You got a link to the thread this was discussed?

FEature was a product that @Greendoc brought to our attention in MQ's Liquid Lawn Fertilizing thread. This is the link to the post where GD mentioned it, and a few of us ordered it from ePestHero. Price is affordable, and I've had really good results with it. I'm going to have to wait for things to dry out a bit before I can even get out and spray anything. I can't even cut most of the yard right now due to downright soupy conditions, with over 3.25" of rain predicted to fall within the next 10 days thanks to TS Alberto. I'm hoping it goes further west, and makes landfall near TX coast or along LA or MS so my boy @thegrassfactor can get some rain in Knoxville.@Colonel K0rn[[mention]Colonel K0rn

Epesthero is out of stock..I got a bag off ebay for $3 more.Thanks for the ebay suggestion.

 

What would be a good product to combine with Celsius to spray my Zoysia lawn. It was sodded about 1 month ago and has rooted well. But it has some weeds in it that I want to get rid of. Since it is in the 80's in NC where I live, would you go Celsius plus Quicksilver? Should I use MSO or NIS in the hotter weather? Don't want to scorch my new lawn.

 

I'm sure someone else will chime in but one month old sod might be too young for a weed killer like Celsius. Check the label before applying in regards to sod.

What are you targeting to kill? Celsius has a broad range of control and will probably kill 90% of weeds in your zoysia.

 

What would be a good product to combine with Celsius to spray my Zoysia lawn. It was sodded about 1 month ago and has rooted well. But it has some weeds in it that I want to get rid of. Since it is in the 80's in NC where I live, would you go Celsius plus Quicksilver? Should I use MSO or NIS in the hotter weather? Don't want to scorch my new lawn.

Quicksilver is a safe for really young Bermuda, so going to assume it's compatable with soded zoysia.

Why not just hit the weeds with a three way amine? Does the Celsius label say anything about the plant reaching a certain level of maturity before application?

I think it says something about waiting a few weeks after sprigging, so I would think rooted zoysia would be safe. You can always spot apply to test.

 

Thanks for the replies. I will check the label on the Celsius.

I am trying to kill some braodleafs, sedge and crabgrass. These seemed to have come back from the prior lawn. Doesn't seem to have come from the new sod.

Can you tell me what would be considered a three way amine? I'm new to this.

 

Thanks for the replies. I will check the label on the Celsius.

I am trying to kill some braodleafs, sedge and crabgrass. These seemed to have come back from the prior lawn. Doesn't seem to have come from the new sod.

Can you tell me what would be considered a three way amine? I'm new to this.

Anything with 2,4d, MCPP, and dicamba.

Trimec would be an easy example. There are other less concentrated versions - ortho weed b gone for example.

 

I wouldn't even think of spraying anything on new Zoysia that's a month old. I'm no expert but it says on pretty much every herbicide not to apply to newly seeded or sodded grass. Just put fertilizer down instead and choke those weeds off treat what lives in the fall.

 

I plan on mowing tomorrow morning. It will also be my first time applying T-Nex. I was wondering if I can mix it with TCS Amp XC iron as well as fertilize with granular Lesco 21-0-0?

 

@Suaverc118 what details do you have on that TCS Amp product? Looks interesting.

 

@cnet24 , what kind of info do you need? What I can say is its recommended to be used along with fertilizer or on its own. I've used it twice and I've noticed a difference in the color of my grass and I love it. I also know it's Lesco's brand. Oh and I believe it's .5 teaspoon for 1 gallon of water.

 

@Suaverc118 it just caught my attention since it is an iron/humic combo. I haven't seen a product like that mentioned around here and it caught my attention. I'm getting iron through my FEature/PGR mix, but adding in Humic never crossed my mind.

 

@Suaverc118 it just caught my attention since it is an iron/humic combo. I haven't seen a product like that mentioned around here and it caught my attention. I'm getting iron through my FEature/PGR mix, but adding in Humic never crossed my mind.

I put down a tank mix of FEAture and Humic12 last night with no issue. I am always careful about over spray on my sidewalks and driveway no matter what the label says so it was a non-issue for me.

 

@Suaverc118 it just caught my attention since it is an iron/humic combo. I haven't seen a product like that mentioned around here and it caught my attention. I'm getting iron through my FEature/PGR mix, but adding in Humic never crossed my mind.

I couldn't find a label to look at application rate but from the bag, 0.4% iron is on the very low end of things anyways.

 

Thanks for the response. I guess you won't know unless you try right?

 

Is it safe to combine Celsius, PGR, and Prosolutions 15-0-0 with 6% iron?

 

Mixed these two last night and sprayed 12 gallons on the entire yard. (2.5 acres)
5 oz per gal of spectracide
1 oz per gal of msma

Temps were coming down from low 90s as I was spraying and then we are supposed to stay in 80s the rest of the week.
Hoping for good results!