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Hey everyone,

I am new to the forum, and honestly lawncare I'm general and could really use your help. I am a brand new first time homeowner and have just got my feet wet with my new hobby in taking care of my lawn.

As a background I bought the house last summer in Central Rhode Island. It was previously a foreclosure and had sat dormant for over 2 years so the lawn really took a hit. To be honest I think the bank or whomever they hired would just come every few months and scalp it as low as possible and leave. When I moved in the yard was in shambles and was mainly dead grass, dirt, and a lot of overgrown trees and shrubs.

Not really knowing better I hired a landscaping company to cut the grass weekly and try to bring lawn back to shape. Initially they said it was too hot to apply fertilizer, and even though ground was very compact the thought aeration or any conditioning tools would introduce more weeds. Fall came and they had similar excuse about the weather only this time being to cold already. Even after investing months with them, my lawn looked exactly the same.... They instead encouraged me to rehab and redo my whole lawn (for 20k)... No thanks! I was determined to preventing myself from being laughing stock of the neighborhood this year so I researched and watched YouTube all winter long, and decided with a lot of inspiration from here to tackle it directly on my own.

I started with conditioning my lawn for first time(aeration,powerrake), and some pre-emergent weed control, and later over seeding and it's first fertilizer treatment the grass had seen in probably over 5 years. The results were fantastic(compared to previous state). There was no more brown dead grass and for the first time ever my lawn was green and flourishing and growing crazy quickly. Mowing finally made stripes and I felt honestly fantastic.... and my passion(or obsession) began.

But honestly I don't know what to do or where to go from here. The lawn is green, but has what appears is many strains of different grass types and looks tie-died with a million shades of green and looks spotted. The pre-emergent has either worn of from initial app or was not strong enough and weeds/crabgrass is starting to squeak back in. And honestly I should have but even more than what was recomended for overseeing because I still have some patching and the lawn overall is very thin.

I am not really sure what to do next as summer has started picking up (mid 80s and higher next few months). I now want more than just green grass. I want thick lush grass and I want it to be uniform(not tie-died multicolor). Will liquid iron help darken it all and appear more uniform. Should I just overseed one grass type over and over and pray in a few years looks the same. Or do I do a total lawn rehab this fall and just live with the disappointment for the next few months?

I welcome anyone and everyone's expert advice, and thank you for welcoming me to the club.

I have attached for reference before I cut the grass today, so the multicolor effect is more noticeable. (So please ignore how messy it is or weeds in walkway ;) )







 

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Welcome to TLF Chris!

A renovation is a big undertaking especially considering the size of your lot. You say you applied a pre emergent. Did you ever apply a post emergent such as Weed B Gon? If not doing that (when temps are under 90° F) could be a good start.

It has 2,4D along with some other herbicides to kill many broadleaf weeds. You might need two apps spaced a couple weeks apart. Then is you seeing clover, chickweed, creeping charlie, violet still hanging around you'll need WBG CCO. It's main ingredient is triclopyr but it's a slower kill so patience will be needed. Again, possibly multiple apps spaced maybe two weeks apart.

I would consider buying in concentrate blanket spraying entire yard with a hose end sprayer. You can apply a fertilizer while you're doing this. With hotter temps you'll want to wait on the fertilizer.

If it were me I would wait for slightly cooler temps in mid August or so before I started this.

The fertilizer will help fill in the bare areas once the herbicides have worked their magic. It did wonders for my yard while I am slowly renovating in smaller, doable sections for my yard.

Good luck and keep asking questions!
 

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Thank you for the help. As far as post emergent, initially I was spot spraying with Ortho Weed-b-gone but when it started becoming unmanageable given my yard size I went with a peletized Scott's weed and feed hoping it would benefit me in two ways. And my lawn was due for another feet treatment. That was about for 4 weeks ago and I would say it was minimally effective in the weeds but the high nitrogen count did help green up more.

Is it safe (given the time frame) to go with a blanket spray of some concentrate now, and would you recommend a backpack sprayer? I would normally do a hose but my house has two inconveniently places spouts only and even a 100ft doesn't reach most of lawn.

As a side note I also have built inground irrigation, should I be changing my settings and watering less with herbicides? Might be a dumb question, but can they wash away, or need to sit on leaf for a good time to be effective?

Thank you again!
 

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I would wait and not water till a day or so after spraying. I'm in the south and we reseed fescue in the fall and push it with fertilizer all winter . In your area I would assume you seed in the spring I don't know. I'm sure you can find some university web sites that can lay out a guide more specific to your area the yard looks like it would be perfect for tall fescue. I have a utube channel where I lay out what I do down here but it might not apply for your area . U have a great spot to give it shot . Good luck!
 

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I agree with @pennstater2005 . A Reno is a big risk and a lot of work. Use this lawn as the practice one. Learn how to spray. How to setup your irrigation for even coverage. Ammend your soil. After you make it look great, then you could kill it.
 

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I'm just going to chime in and agree that a reno is not right for you at this time. Even if you do everything perfectly and it looks great, as you keep reading you are going to wish you chose this grass type or that cultivar and be less than thrilled with your results even though your neighbors will be jealous. Learn your current lawn and bring it to its full potential before considering a reno. Final tip: a battery powered sprayer should be at the top of your shopping list. Best of luck to you.
 

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Great advice in this thread, OP. I would also agree with skipping the reno this year. Get a soil test, get a backback sprayer, NI surfactant, marker dye and go to town on the weeds as soon as it cools down a bit. I'd suggest a fall overseed to help thicken it up and replace the weeds you're killing. You cannot plant seed until 4 weeks after applying herbicides so if you want to seed on August 15th, you would need your final weed spray done on July 15th. (some weeds will take a few shots spaced 10 days apart to take them out. That is my suggestion, check your soil, kill weeds and get ready for a fall overseed.

Love the money pit reference Carl! "You testing missiles here or what? :lol:
 

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Regarding a reno, I would suggest to mark off a small 10x10 in a not obvious area and reno that. Use regular seed from the store and see how successful it is. This way, you know what to expect when and if you decide to do a reno on the whole yard. Also, this will give you plenty of time to do research and learn about different types of grass, their benefits/drawbacks, and also reviewing NTEP trials to determine what cultivars you would like.
 

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Wow thanks everyone for the advice. This forum is amazing. I started on the guide and just ordered some concentrate, and backpack sprayer. I am gonna go to war on the weeds in the next batch of cool weather we have. In fall I am gonna get on best program I can and do a really good job conditioning and overseeding, I also have a 15x30 strip in my backyard that we don't use and cannot see from road that I might use as an experimental test plot this fall. Hopefully next year will look that much better and as I begin to develop comfort and expertise maybe will consider Reno next fall. My space is just so large and I am still new to this that I am afraid a full redo rehab would end in disaster this fall. Thank you everyone for their feedback and am looking forward to engaging in this forum more.
 

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Two things I will recommend. Buy a battery powered so you don't have to hand pump. Chapin makes a decent one. And get a better nozzle for the end of it. It will make your spraying experience painless especially considering your lot size.

https://thelawnforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=170&hilit=Chapin+20v

https://thelawnforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=33&hilit=Teejet
 

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I'm also pretty new to this, but have been in your shoes. My guess is that a lot of the different colored "grass" you're seeing are actually weeds, nutsedge, etc. So, as mentioned, get something down to treat those, and though it might result in a lot of bare spots, a fall seeding will fix a lot of that. Matt (The Grass Factor) did a great video on different weed killers, how they work, and what to use in different temperatures - this will probably be very helpful for you to understand as you'll see different things at different times of the year while you're getting everything under control - definitely was for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tIIcZCR_wE&t=1209s

Also, as you mentioned that nothing has been done in years, I would work on the soil. I'm in a similar boat with my yard, and started doing monthly treatments of soil conditioner at 3oz/1,000. This has made a noticeable difference over the past year. Last summer I bent a metal spike sprinkler trying to get it into the ground, and this year, the soil at least on the top 2-4 inches is much less compacted, which is allowing the roots to grow deeper and compete with the weeds that have been in the ground for who knows how long. This is what people are referring to if you read about humic acid, and one of the popular ones is RGS by Green County Fertilizer (http://www.greenecountyfert.com/diy/).

Lastly, be patient. I am always stressing about the different problem spots in the lawn, but had I taken pictures of the lawn every couple months over the past year, I'm sure that the progress would be very apparent, and might make me feel better about the hours and hours I've spent getting it to where it is now.
 
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