Doing a little test plot
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Late summer/ Fall reno
Decided to do a journal. Currently getting my ducks in a row. Purchased seed today. Was in Minnesota for work so swung by Twin Cities Seed and purchased. Kept going back and forth between a tttf and kbg lawn for a couple of reasons. My busy time of the year is right during seed down/germination time for a reno and city regulations not allowing new lawns to be planted in August (even though prime time for kbg in Chicagoland area). Decided to go with kbg and break the city rules. Doing a mix with Midnight, After Midnight, and Mazama.
Plan is kill in early August, multiple apps. Scalp down with mower after total kill. Level a few areas with top soil. Late August (less weeks to get caught watering new lawn in August) slit seed and meso app along with light coating of peat moss (very light). Still figuring out irrigation due to not having an in ground system and possibly needing to turn on/off water while away from house for work. Thinking of wifi 4 port hose timer with rainbird rotors with .75gpm nozzles linked together.
Still tosing around idea of reel mowing lawn, who knows. I'm sure I'm missing a thousand things.
Plan is kill in early August, multiple apps. Scalp down with mower after total kill. Level a few areas with top soil. Late August (less weeks to get caught watering new lawn in August) slit seed and meso app along with light coating of peat moss (very light). Still figuring out irrigation due to not having an in ground system and possibly needing to turn on/off water while away from house for work. Thinking of wifi 4 port hose timer with rainbird rotors with .75gpm nozzles linked together.
Still tosing around idea of reel mowing lawn, who knows. I'm sure I'm missing a thousand things.
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Well, been 7 days, zero germination, but I have not done the best job at keeping it moist to say the least. Might try reseeding after I give it a few more days.
Well wildcard again, in the test pot was starting to see some germination, After midnight was leading the way. Went to in-laws to fish, came home to the pot decimated from birds, garden as well. Pot is now reseeded with just straight 33% mix of after midnight, midnight, and Mazama.
Lost most of the green onions are lost in the garden as well. Makes me wonder how much I will be battling birds in the reno?
Anyone else have battles with bird in reno? Ideas to combat them? Live in town so a .22 won't do it.
Lost most of the green onions are lost in the garden as well. Makes me wonder how much I will be battling birds in the reno?
Anyone else have battles with bird in reno? Ideas to combat them? Live in town so a .22 won't do it.
Reflective spinning pinwheels or some shiny balloons tied to a stake (or a few stakes around the reno area). Looks goofy, but deters the birds well.Anyone else have battles with bird in reno? Ideas to combat them? Live in town so a .22 won't do it.
Hopefully bird thing just sorts itself out in a few weeks. I've never had birds eat grass seed.
Are you planning to use PGR (Legacy?) on your existing lawn before you kill it to keep the mowing manageable? Or is that for next year after the Reno?
What's the existing lawn like, how old is it (if you know), and what's it composed of? And are you reno'ing everywhere or leaving part of the old for comparison (or whatever reason)?
Are you planning to use PGR (Legacy?) on your existing lawn before you kill it to keep the mowing manageable? Or is that for next year after the Reno?
What's the existing lawn like, how old is it (if you know), and what's it composed of? And are you reno'ing everywhere or leaving part of the old for comparison (or whatever reason)?
I am currently using legacy, slowlying increasing rates. Mowing about once a week at 2.25". Seeing very good growth regulation out if it. Have cutless quickstop as well that I will be spiking the legacy with as well.Hopefully bird thing just sorts itself out in a few weeks. I've never had birds eat grass seed.
Are you planning to use PGR (Legacy?) on your existing lawn before you kill it to keep the mowing manageable? Or is that for next year after the Reno?
What's the existing lawn like, how old is it (if you know), and what's it composed of? And are you reno'ing everywhere or leaving part of the old for comparison (or whatever reason)?
Just going to reno the front lawn, about 4500 sq feet but scattered out in 4 sections (damn hell strip). Currently it's poa annua, bluegrass, tttf, k-31, and a mix of fine fescues. Was established in 2005 and miss treated until i moved in the house in 2017.
I know bluegrass requires more water and no irrigation system, thinking about doing the orbit poly pipe diy 2 zone system and adding more zones to it with their 4 zone hose bib controller. That said these cultivars are so old that I believe I will in fact have to water the yard less than I currently am (besides the k-31 of course).
I think Cutless QS is what I will likely end up testing next year...if I can find someone around here or online who has the MEC or it. Did you get yours through golf channels? I'm not a golfer at all, but thinking if I have trouble finding it, maybe I should see where local courses get stuff, and if those places would sell to an individual.I am currently using legacy, slowlying increasing rates. Mowing about once a week at 2.25". Seeing very good growth regulation out if it. Have cutless quickstop as well that I will be spiking the legacy with as well.
Just going to reno the front lawn, about 4500 sq feet but scattered out in 4 sections (damn hell strip). Currently it's poa annua, bluegrass, tttf, k-31, and a mix of fine fescues. Was established in 2005 and miss treated until i moved in the house in 2017.
I know bluegrass requires more water and no irrigation system, thinking about doing the orbit poly pipe diy 2 zone system and adding more zones to it with their 4 zone hose bib controller. That said these cultivars are so old that I believe I will in fact have to water the yard less than I currently am (besides the k-31 of course).
I think you're right about the watering. A lot of the DNA in your Reno test blend is pretty old germplasm from Midnight (but still great). In fact, all three of your cultivars have Midnight DNA in them, even though Mazama and After Midnight are pretty new/cutting edge. Probably some of the best for water usage efficiency in KBG today.
I would visit your closest siteone store. Would almost guarantee they could get you quickstop if not MEC. Could always mix the anuew with the cutless to get a happy medium of poa suppression and growth suppression on desired species.I think Cutless QS is what I will likely end up testing next year...if I can find someone around here or online who has the MEC or it. Did you get yours through golf channels? I'm not a golfer at all, but thinking if I have trouble finding it, maybe I should see where local courses get stuff, and if those places would sell to an individual.
I think you're right about the watering. A lot of the DNA in your Reno test blend is pretty old germplasm from Midnight (but still great). In fact, all three of your cultivars have Midnight DNA in them, even though Mazama and After Midnight are pretty new/cutting edge. Probably some of the best for water usage efficiency in KBG today.
We'll see...I've got time. But the 2.5x or whatever cost of QS when I logged in to check their price versus that of the online retailers scared me off. I think it was like almost $600 for a half gallon! Domyown would sell MEC for around $250 for 64oz, but they claim it's discontinued (probably due to the changes in registration currently occurring and maybe the manufacturing issue you mentioned a while back). Maybe I'll call them and see if they can start working on getting it for next year again. But we also have another company with branches here locally that I often prefer...who is owned by Advanced Turf Solutions. Hopefully they could get it for me. There is also Hart Seed as well.I would visit your closest siteone store. Would almost guarantee they could get you quickstop if not MEC. Could always mix the anuew with the cutless to get a happy medium of poa suppression and growth suppression on desired species.
By the way: regarding birds: my grandma used to tie the aluminum pie plates to her stakes in her garden when I was a kid. Not sure if it worked. But they reflected light and made noise when it was windy.
Edit: I was thinking the same regarding mixing Anuew and Cutless...once I get a feel for Cutless alone. Currently getting a feel for Anuew. Not too much different than T-Nex so far...easy transition.
Also: bernstem here uses PGR on After Midnight KBG.
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