[kolbasz]

Was watching @wardconnor and his latest video.

He is applying https://www.kelp4less.com/shop/powder-extreme-blend/]kelp 4 less extreme blend in the video he measures 57g per 5 gallons (of each 5 gallons going into his 20 gallons for 20k), is this to say the measurement is roughly 11.4g/M?

Is humic acid good for everyone? He mentions the benefit on hard soil and since I have a lot of clay, I thought that qualifies as hard. However, being clear across the country also means maybe it is not something I should and can use.

 

[wardconnor]

1 lb per acre is the mix rate. It's good for everyone.

Same stuff basically with some variation as the stuff green county fertilizer is selling.

As a disclaimer.... I WILL be using the green county fertilizer products at some point in time. I would like to try them out.

 

[kolbasz]

1 lb per acre is the mix rate. It's good for everyone.

Same stuff basically with some variation as the stuff green county fertilizer is selling.

As a disclaimer.... I WILL be using the green county fertilizer products at some point in time. I would like to try them out.

Thanks. I like the idea of the water soluble, you can put 8 products at once as opposed to what is needed with granular products.

 

[kevreh]

Was watching @wardconnor and his latest video.

He is applying https://www.kelp4less.com/shop/powder-extreme-blend/]kelp 4 less extreme blend in the video he measures 57g per 5 gallons (of each 5 gallons going into his 20 gallons for 20k), is this to say the measurement is roughly 11.4g/M?

Is humic acid good for everyone? He mentions the benefit on hard soil and since I have a lot of clay, I thought that qualifies as hard. However, being clear across the country also means maybe it is not something I should and can use.

In terms of clay, check out Petes videos on youtube under the channel "gci turf services". He's in NC and has a lot of clay soil down there. He really advocates the use of humics (and more specifically the green county stuff he sells). The humics help loosen things up to promote root growth. He can take a 2-3' rod and somewhat easily drive it into the ground. Also says these humics (and fulvics) help with summer stress.

 

[Pete1313]

1 lb per acre is the mix rate. It's good for everyone.

How did you come up with the mix rate? The kelp4less mix instructions are a little fuzzy and geared more for plants. I spray the kelp4less HA and kelp products and used a commercial HA product for reference and a VA Tech article suggesting a HA:Seaweed ratio of 5:2.
Anyway, I came up with 5.25-10.5 oz/acre of HA and 2.1-4.2 oz/acre of kelp. Mixed together they are 7.35-14.7 oz/acre and your rate of 1 lb/acre seems right in line with what I came up with. I like that the extreme blend also has fulvic and amino acids and might consider switching to it after my supply runs out. How frequent are you thinking of applying?

 

[wardconnor]

1 lb per acre is the mix rate. It's good for everyone.

How did you come up with the mix rate? The kelp4less mix instructions are a little fuzzy and geared more for plants. I spray the kelp4less HA and kelp products and used a commercial HA product for reference and a VA Tech article suggesting a HA:Seaweed ratio of 5:2.
Anyway, I came up with 5.25-10.5 oz/acre of HA and 2.1-4.2 oz/acre of kelp. Mixed together they are 7.35-14.7 oz/acre and your rate of 1 lb/acre seems right in line with what I came up with. I like that the extreme blend also has fulvic and amino acids and might consider switching to it after my supply runs out. How frequent are you thinking of applying?

I talked to Brandon at Kelp4less and he told me. That rate was also recommend to me by another commercial applicator who has applied it.

I would like to apply it like every 3 weeks or slightly a little more. Depending on my energy level and if I run out of steam. I have NO idea if this is too much or too little so please advise me if it is too much.

 

[Pete1313]

I don't think it's too little. Is it too much? I don't know either. I used a product (Black Earth dry soluble 80) as reference when coming up with my numbers for HA of 5.25-10.5 oz/acre. http://www.norganics.com/label/DS 80 ORGANIC Product Page_May 2013_LR.pdf It suggested 4-6 applications throughout the growing season. I am planning on using the lesser rate I came up with (5.25 oz/acre HA + 2.1 oz/acre kelp) but spraying with my primo/FAS apps which will be on a GDD timed interval (every 2-3 weeks). So since I'm spraying more frequently and probably 10-12 times this year, if I used the extreme blend I might use an 8 oz/acre rate.

All my thinking is based off of another product and some articles, so I would be curious what Brandon or the commercial applicator you referenced would suggest for a spray interval.

 

[LawnNerd]

I purchased some HA on the 13th, and it got lost (it was a Friday)... Go figure...

Well i called them on the 24th amd they we're very apologetic, and rushed my order. I got it on the 26th, with a lb of their extreme blend thrown in!

Im planning on using the extreme blend monthly right now, unless if anyone knows thats too frequent. I'm going to space the extreme blend apps 2 week off the HA apps and do each monthly. Im thinking low rates for both since that'll be a lot of HA.

 

[7474]

How frequently are people using the K4L humic/fulvic/kelp blend?

K4L was advising 1tsp/gallon/1,000 weekly?

I'm all for it if that helps the lawn.

 

[Suburban Jungle Life]

I use the k4l humic/fulvic/kelp mix at 10g/M, every time I fert, which is once a month. I have found that it does yellow the grass if sprayed and not irrigated after in temps above 90. FYI. With some rain a week later, the grass turned green again.

 

[7474]

I use the k4l humic/fulvic/kelp mix at 10g/M, every time I fert, which is once a month. I have found that it does yellow the grass if sprayed and not irrigated after in temps above 90. FYI. With some rain a week later, the grass turned green again.

Thanks for the reply/info.

Do you find the product to be beneficial? Or, it's cheap (or was) so why not?

 

[Suburban Jungle Life]

I use the k4l humic/fulvic/kelp mix at 10g/M, every time I fert, which is once a month. I have found that it does yellow the grass if sprayed and not irrigated after in temps above 90. FYI. With some rain a week later, the grass turned green again.

Thanks for the reply/info.

Do you find the product to be beneficial? Or, it's cheap (or was) so why not?

thegrassfactor has seen great results with RGS. I was looking for a lower cost alternative with the hopes it would be similar with results as well. I don't maintain acres like Matt does and nor do I have years of experience to see what the difference a change in a program can bring. I figured for the cost, if he has great results and the science behind it backs it up, why not try it? If you have a large lawn to maintain, then maybe try this on a small portion as a comparison without changing anything else and maybe on another small portion, use this product with a reduced N rate to see the difference between all 3 areas. If the humates (humic/fulvic) both chelate and increase availability of nutrients in the soil as well as extend release of nutrients (sprayed when applying NPK) then that's a great thing. Also, kelp has many minerals and is overall good for plant health. I view this as icing on the cake. If you have a sparse lawn or a salad bar, then I wouldn't bother. Weed control and a thick stand of turf would be my first concerns and then proper fert. This is a low cost addition to the fert and I'm seeing great results. If the cost gets too high, then I might reconsider it or do a test with half of the grass without it to see if there is any noticeable difference. Until then, it isn't cost prohibitive.

Here is my cost breakdown.
I purchased 5 lb for $55.
5 lb is 2267.96g
I use it at 10g/M
I apply it to 10M
I apply it 6 times a year.
That's enough to apply it for 3.75 years.
It costs $0.24 per M
That's $2.43 per application over 10M
It costs $14.55 per year to apply.
Comparing that to the cost of other products such as herbicides, fungicides, and grass seed this is cheap.

I'm always hunting for deals and now that this has gone up, that stinks. They do offer sales periodically so I would keep on their mailing list and wait for a sale.

 

[7474]

@Suburban Jungle Life
Thanks for the detailed info. I am of the same thought....icing on the cake. The cost of the N-Ext products is more than I want to spend.

I purchased also for $55 but the price has now increased to $80 for the 5#.

Thanks again for your reply and contributions across this site.

 

[Suburban Jungle Life]

@Suburban Jungle Life
Thanks for the detailed info. I am of the same thought....icing on the cake. The cost of the N-Ext products is more than I want to spend.

I purchased also for $55 but the price has now increased to $80 for the 5#.

Thanks again for your reply and contributions across this site.

:thumbsup:

 

[XiolaOne]

Best is what k4l told me the strength was:

At 1 pound per gallon it will make a 6% humic, 3% fulvic, 12% amino acid solution

Now that is the concentrate. Once you dilute it, say 5oz per gallon of water in your tank, what is the %?

What is the % at 10g of powder straight into your tank at 1 gallon?

They are not very clear on their mixing rates, application rates and they don't officially list the % of how strong it is

 

[Suburban Jungle Life]

Best is what k4l told me the strength was:

At 1 pound per gallon it will make a 6% humic, 3% fulvic, 12% amino acid solution

Now that is the concentrate. Once you dilute it, say 5oz per gallon of water in your tank, what is the %?

What is the % at 10g of powder straight into your tank at 1 gallon?

They are not very clear on their mixing rates, application rates and they don't officially list the % of how strong it is

As you said, 1 lb per gallon will make 6% humic, 3% fulvic. This is the same contents in a bottle of RGS from GCF. I am using their applications rates of 3oz/M. I converted that to dry weight so I don't have to keep a mixed concentrate.

128 oz of RGS at a spray rate of 3oz/M so 128/3=42.6667
That is 42.6667 applications (M) per gallon of RGS.
1 lb of K4L is 453.92 g so 453.92/42.6667=10.63 g
That is 10.63 g per application (M)
I rounded down to 10 g /M so it's easier to remember and close enough.
I didn't calculate the % concentration but does that matter? This calc should be equivalent to using RGS at their recommended rates.

I find that K4L isn't geared toward turf but more toward the home/organic/hydroponics grower for crops. Their recommendation of weekly application seems excessive to me. Sure you can apply at their recommended rates but then you have to buy a lot more of it... That's good for them... I use RGS as the basis for my calc since they are focused on turf and their rates are labeled for turf application. Also, it's easy to compare when one of the pros said they sprayed RGS at 9oz/M, then that is the K4L humic/fulvic/kelp at 30g/M.

Maybe we should call the K4L humic/fulvic/kelp mix, K4L HFK, since they have so many different products.

 

[cfinden]

@Suburban Jungle Life I have a stupid question. What is the "/M" in your calculations? Like spraying RGS at 9oz/M, what is the M?

 

[g-man]

M is the turf industry standard for ksqft. It is used to avoid using K alone since K also means potassium. M =1000 in Roman numerals.

 

[cfinden]

@g-man great thank you!

Going forward I'll use M instead of K.

 

[g-man]

I try to use ksqft to avoid confusion, but I prefer the M since it is less typing.