Inexpensive Post-emergents

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Suaverc118

Discussion Starter · Sep 29, 2017

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Would like to hear your thoughts on some very reliable Post-emergents that are not too pricey up front. I've seen Celsius, sledgehammer, certainty and etc
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What else is out there that works just as well as these but won't break your pockets? I saw this one in the link, but don't know much about it. There is also MSM. Here are pics of my weeds as well. Thanks for everyone's input.

Bonide 16-Ounce Concentrate Sedge Ender Weed Killer - 069 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006MVFSOE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_ZrOZzbJAA6JQB

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Bunnysarefat

· #2 · Sep 29, 2017

I tested out MSM Turf with the 60% active ingredient for the first time a few weeks ago. I got a bottle for free so I've just been sitting on it. I annexed some of my neighbor's property and have this small strip on a retaining wall I now take care of with Bermuda and I put some st Augustine plugs in it too. It's a test area basically. I was surprised by how well MSM worked. You MUST have a scale to apply it with a 1-2 gallon sprayer. I think I did like .033oz per gallon. But it knocked out many weeds completely after about 2 weeks.

The biggest thing with MSM is the temp restriction of 85 degree highs. For much of the growing season it's totally useless. Also, looks like you have dollar weed which I did not test MSM on, and which the label says may need 2 applications.

I have also used Image for nutsedge which is cheaper than segdehammer and certainty. It's cheaper because it doesn't work as well. You will need repeat applications and will use much more of your total chemicals per treatment than the others. It knocks it back but it comes back a little more persistent than the more expensive stuff. It's also about too late to try and treat nutsedge with Image this year because you need to hit it so many times over weeks. It might knock it back for the rest of this growing year (1 month or so?) but it will be back the same next year.

Sedgehammer offers the single use packets starting at like 12-13 smackers. I'd look at those, but again, it's getting late and may not work too well.

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Movingshrub

· #3 · Sep 30, 2017

If you are looking for a low upfront investment, I think, early and late in the season when it's not hot, ortho weed-b-gon or any other three-way with 2,4-D works well on broadleaf weeds. If you get the one with the orange cap, it has quinclorac which can go after crabgrass assuming it isn't too hot out. I haven't used it, but maybe Image for sedges and it claims to get wild onion in the fall/winter. Lastly, a bottle of glyphosate and a paintbrush for everything else. One packet of sedge hammer is around $10-15 but you'll probably need to do multiple apps.

This is all assuming you put down a pre-em.

Once you start looking at price per application, Celsius and Certainty start to look really appealing, especially since they are generally more effective and don't have the temperature limitations of other products.

Colonel K0rn

· #4 · Sep 30, 2017

[thread hijack]
I saw your post earlier in the Bermuda Triangle thread, and wanted to throw this out that you can save a good chunk of cash by picking up some tires from Tire Rack. We have a distribution center for them about 20 miles from my house, and I just picked up the tires, and took them to my dealer to have them mounted. I rotate them myself every other oil change.
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When it comes to best bang for the buck, Celsius is going to be the best way to kill off most of the weeds that you'll find in your bermuda yard. If you can get 70% of them killed, and relieve the pressure off of your turfgrass, the bermuda will do the rest. I know it's expensive, but it's going to save you money in the long run. Think of it as "Buy once, cry once". I feel that way when I'm looking at the Eley hose reels. :shock: I still have my purchase in the shopping cart, waiting for the 1st of the month.

Sulfentrazone will absolutely smoke any sedges that you have. The generic version is slightly less expensive than Dismiss. I'd go that route for the least expensive route to get sedge control done. I'd go that route over the single-use packets of Sedgehammer +. I tried it, and wasn't satisfied with the results.

That second picture looks like Poa Annua to me. Anyone else agree?

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Movingshrub

· #5 · Sep 30, 2017

I keep wondering whether Katana or Monument are better choices than Certainty for the Bermuda triangle since both are more effective on poa annua. They can be applied as a broadcast application of a post-em and I think both have a residual in the soil for poa. With that being said, I think sulfentrazone has a residual for sedges.

Suaverc118

Discussion Starter · #6 · Sep 30, 2017

Colonel K0rn said:
[thread hijack]
I saw your post earlier in the Bermuda Triangle thread, and wanted to throw this out that you can save a good chunk of cash by picking up some tires from Tire Rack. We have a distribution center for them about 20 miles from my house, and I just picked up the tires, and took them to my dealer to have them mounted. I rotate them myself every other oil change.
[/thread hijack]

When it comes to best bang for the buck, Celsius is going to be the best way to kill off most of the weeds that you'll find in your bermuda yard. If you can get 70% of them killed, and relieve the pressure off of your turfgrass, the bermuda will do the rest. I know it's expensive, but it's going to save you money in the long run. Think of it as "Buy once, cry once". I feel that way when I'm looking at the Eley hose reels. :shock: I still have my purchase in the shopping cart, waiting for the 1st of the month.

Sulfentrazone will absolutely smoke any sedges that you have. The generic version is slightly less expensive than Dismiss. I'd go that route for the least expensive route to get sedge control done. I'd go that route over the single-use packets of Sedgehammer +. I tried it, and wasn't satisfied with the results.

That second picture looks like Poa Annua to me. Anyone else agree?

Highjack my thread anytime bro. Yeah, I think I will just do a big long cry, but will get over it. I'll probably order Celsius and Sulfentrazone. You're not the first person I've seen say they weren't impressed with sledgehammer. I also forgot to post another weed here that I get a lot of and they come back each time. I hope one of these can control them. I assume the other pictured weeds are covered accept the Poa Annua???

Suaverc118

Discussion Starter · #7 · Sep 30, 2017

For some reason it won't let me upload. I'll try the picture in the morning

Suaverc118

Discussion Starter · #8 · Sep 30, 2017

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I'm still trying to figure out which weed the first picture is. I also have crabgrass, but it's not bad. I feel like Celsius wouldn't get rid of most of the ones I have, or will it?

These pictures are what I have a good mix of. I think they are all of the same thing

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FATC1TY

· #9 · Sep 30, 2017

Those kind of look like some kind of spurge.

Based on the weeds and undesirable grasses, I'd buy, and you can do it slowly too, an arsenal of Celsius, dismiss, and depending on anything wild not covered by those two, some MSMA or a roundup type of 2,4d type of herbicide.

Celsius should be the first purchase as it will cover most. When you don't see the pressure relieve, or no change in a weed sprayed, then move to the sulfentrazone if it's something it might kill and control.

Buying cheap isn't always the best case, could cost more in long run. A few packets of sedge hammer will eventually get close to the cost of a bottle of dismiss, with less treatments available, and I believe they have less active ingredient than dismiss if I recall.

No need to buy it all at once. Find the largest culprit, find the herbicide to kill it and buy it now. Come spring, grab another, and mid summer another and you'll slowly build your lawn weapons to tackle it all, and even treat your neighbors close by!!

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Mightyquinn

· #10 · Sep 30, 2017

FATC1TY said:
Those kind of look like some kind of spurge.

Based on the weeds and undesirable grasses, I'd buy, and you can do it slowly too, an arsenal of Celsius, dismiss, and depending on anything wild not covered by those two, some MSMA or a roundup type of 2,4d type of herbicide.

Celsius should be the first purchase as it will cover most. When you don't see the pressure relieve, or no change in a weed sprayed, then move to the sulfentrazone if it's something it might kill and control.

Buying cheap isn't always the best case, could cost more in long run. A few packets of sedge hammer will eventually get close to the cost of a bottle of dismiss, with less treatments available, and I believe they have less active ingredient than dismiss if I recall.

No need to buy it all at once. Find the largest culprit, find the herbicide to kill it and buy it now. Come spring, grab another, and mid summer another and you'll slowly build your lawn weapons to tackle it all, and even treat your neighbors close by!!

+1

VERY well said!!!!!

Suaverc118

Discussion Starter · #11 · Sep 30, 2017

Makes perfect sense.
For the nutsedge, I've read and seen videos of Ortho nutsedge ready to spray since it's in a certain spot until I get Sulfentrazone next time

Colonel K0rn

· #12 · Sep 30, 2017

Suaverc118 said:
Makes perfect sense.
For the nutsedge, I've read and seen videos of Ortho nutsedge ready to spray since it's in a certain spot until I get Sulfentrazone next time

You know, I actually picked up (physically) a bottle of that last night at WalMart to look at the label. It's active ingredient is Sulfentrazone at 0.05%. Try it out, and you'll see what kind of results you get for that low of a ratio.

Suaverc118

Discussion Starter · #13 · Oct 3, 2017

Took the plunge and bought me some Celsius!!! I'm going to use that Ortho nutsedge for the stupid nutsedge for now.

Ware

· #14 · Oct 3, 2017

Suaverc118 said:
Took the plunge and bought me some Celsius!!! I'm going to use that Ortho nutsedge for the stupid nutsedge for now.

Good plan. It is expensive, but if you use a pre-e, it will be many years before you need to purchase it again. I'm still working on my first bottle. :thumbup:

Suaverc118

Discussion Starter · #15 · Oct 3, 2017

Ware said:
Suaverc118 said:

Took the plunge and bought me some Celsius!!! I'm going to use that Ortho nutsedge for the stupid nutsedge for now.

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Good plan. It is expensive, but if you use a pre-e, it will be many years before you need to purchase it again. I'm still working on my first bottle. :thumbup:

How long again shall I wait to use a pre-emergent? Do the weeds have die off or just a time thing?

J_nick

· #16 · Oct 3, 2017

You don't have to wait at all. Pre emergent won't have any effect on the weeds that are growing right now but it will stop any more weeds from germinating.

Suaverc118

Discussion Starter · #17 · Oct 4, 2017

Ok another question... I'm mowing my lawn today and have my Celsius... When can I spray it today after? And if so, do i water within a certain period after applying??

Movingshrub

· #18 · Oct 4, 2017

Suaverc118 said:
Ok another question... I'm mowing my lawn today and have my Celsius... When can I spray it today after? And if so, do i water within a certain period after applying??

You can spray right after you mow.
You do not water in the Celsius WG product.

Ware

· #19 · Oct 4, 2017

Suaverc118 said:
Ok another question... I'm mowing my lawn today and have my Celsius... When can I spray it today after? And if so, do i water within a certain period after applying??

The label has some mowing instructions:

MOWING INSTRUCTIONS
Do not mow immediately after treating with this product or before spray has dried. After treatment, do not transfer
clippings to non-target areas.

Suaverc118

Discussion Starter · #20 · Oct 4, 2017

Got it. Didn't have a chance to read since I've been sick and had a small window to mow today

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