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Greg's KBG Reno (Bewitched, Mazama, Blueberry) - Seed Down 8/19

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Hello TLF friends.

Figured I'd make a new journal documenting the road to my fall 2023 reno.

My wife and I purchased this house in August of 2021, and have been slowly tranforming the neglected, overgrown yard. I did a PRG overseed in Fall of 2021 to hold me over, but I'm ready to return to an elite KBG lawn.

Decided to go with a mix of 3 cultivars: Blueberry, Bewitched, and Mazama. All seed has been ordered and is in my possession.

I have 80 lbs of seed total, enough to renovate my entire yard more than twice at 3lbs/k. Wanted to have plenty on hand in case of washout, etc.

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Yard Specs:
  • ~11,250 sqft
  • Current stand is existing no-mix with Champion GQ PRG overseeded 2021
  • fully irrigated yard
  • mostly flat yard, will require some grading in the front, minimal in the back
  • currently battling poa T

Short term plans:
  • first round of poa T gly went down on 4/6 in the backyard, plan to do at least 3 apps
  • normal spring practices (grub/insect control, fungicide, fertilizer, watering)
  • soil test
  • test pots (have one for blueberry already, currently at 4 DAS)

Mid term plans:
  • figure out rough seed down date
  • figure out when to kill yard (thinking mid July for mid/late August seed down date)

Post-glyphosate plans:
  • scalp/dethatch
  • bring in sand/soil mix and level
  • seed 3lbs/k, tenacity, starter, top dress with peat moss, roll, beer

Hoping to take things a bit slower since I'm getting a head start early for this reno. Free time is harder to come by since I did my last reno between work and dad life.

Would love any suggestions for changes to my plans from those more experienced than me!



In case anyone is interested in my past work, here are a couple links to my previous threads:
2017 KBG/TTTF reno at old house
2021 PRG Overseed at new house
 
#4 ·
-Ask topsoil (composted?) provider if they can demonstrate that there is no jumping worm contamination. (And anything else that concerns you.) Jumping worms are active and very noticeable after about May 1st.
Also maybe they have a soil test for their soil nutrient levels. Coupled with your own test results of your existing soil, it can give you the info you need, especially regarding whether starter fert is needed or not.
You guys have me reconsidering bringing in some soil. Maybe I should just use sand or sand/compost mixture instead. After the triv I'm experiencing right now in my yard, I really dont want to possibly have that again.
 
#3 · (Edited)
Solid plan! And great that you were able to get sod quality seed. It should definitely help cut down on the amount of Triv seeds in the bag.

My only suggestions:

-Test your existing soil with a lab that uses Mehlich 3, and compare to MLSN standards as a basis (rather than highly inflated lab or TLF forum suggestions), especially for P level. You might not need starter fert. Or you might.

-Ask topsoil (composted?) provider if they can demonstrate that there is no jumping worm contamination. (And anything else that concerns you.) Jumping worms are active and very noticeable after about May 1st.
Also maybe they have a soil test for their soil nutrient levels. Coupled with your own test results of your existing soil, it can give you the info you need, especially regarding whether starter fert is needed or not.

-Likewise, sand can sometimes provide certain nutrients, like Potassium.
 
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Gly I sprayed on thurs last week hasn't shown any effects yet. It did rain for a bit a few hours after I sprayed so I'm hoping it got absorbed before the rain started. Either way I'll be doing another app sometime this week.

Got the rest of my pots made up. 3 with individual cultivars, and 1 with all three.

The blueberry pot I planted on 4/3 had slight germ on 4/8 - 5 days later! Here is a pic from this morning, 4/10, 7 days after seeding:

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And the other 3 pots:

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#8 ·
Back yard still waking up, but showing signs of death from the areas I sprayed. Dog pee spots are looking great though 😂

Did some major work on the pond and got that up and running, big thanks to my FIL. I'll throw in a pic of some of the babies.

My old husqvarna blower that I repaired a couple years ago died again. I figured it was time to replace it so I grabbed an Echo handheld.


Upcoming plans:
  • first glyphosate app on the front yard and second app on the back yard this weekend
  • cut ivy on back trees
  • soil test

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Here's the blueberry pot 8 DAS, 3 DAG. No germ yet in the other pots, but they're currently at 4 DAS.

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Here is just a small portion of the babies we have in the pond, I estimate we have 50-60 total. They're about 2-3" right now. We're going to be giving some away once they get a little larger.

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#9 ·
Second round of gly went down on the back yard, first round on the front yard. Getting lots of good die-off.

Finally started cutting back the ivy on our trees and cleared out a lot of junk along the fence.

Put down fert at .36lbs N/M

Pots are looking good, similar growth between them except for bewitched, which seems to be lagging behind slightly.


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#13 ·
Sorry for the lack of update, been busy with life 😂

Put down a heavy dose of N in the front yard since it was looking really behind where the back yard was, probably did close to .75lbs of N. Did about a half pound of N in the back yard.

Mowed a few days ago, maintaining 1.75" HOC until the heat comes.

Nothing really new besides that. The pots are doing really well, I'll do an update on them next.

Lawn is looking pretty terrible from the dead areas, but it'll pay off in the long run.

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#14 ·
Been MIA recently, my bad.

No updates means no posts lol.

When is a good gly date? I'm thinking weekend of 22 July for a planned seed down of 19 Aug weekend and 26 Aug weekend as a rain date. I'm in SNJ just north of the cool season / transition zone line. In August it's typically very hot and dry here.

In the past I always targeted labor day-ish for seed down.

Any input is appreciated.
 
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Do you have any tough to kill weeds that you need to fallow your yard for?

My reno area for this fall is infested with quackgrass, so I will start killing my lawn as soon as the weather allows, maybe even today if the wind calms down. Because quackgrass has extensive rhizomes I’m going to have to hit it multiple times with glyphosate.

If you have tough to kill weeds, I say kill sooner. If you’re confident that glyphosate will wipe out everything you have in quick order, your plan sounds like a good one.
 
#17 ·
I’m in right outside central Jersey. I think your timing is spot on. I put seed down mid august last year and had great results and it had ample time to grown in. I had poor germination and put more seed down late august early September and still felt like I had plenty of time. I think labor day initial seeding is too late but very doable if washout happens
 
#20 ·
First Gly app going down this weekend!

Finally had our tree stump removed in the front yard. Had them leave the hole there because they wanted to fill it with the mulch from the stump.
There are still some wood chips in there, I'm going to try and remove as much as I can then fill with dirt and tamp down as much as I can.
I figure I'll have to keep adding soil to it as things settle.
 
#21 ·
Finally had our tree stump removed in the front yard. Had them leave the hole there because they wanted to fill it with the mulch from the stump.
Fill it with the wood chips? What the? Who does that? The whole idea of grinding is to get the wood out, not chop it up and just leave it there. Too bad they don't still have the bang head emoji on these things.
 
#25 ·
Gly went down over the entire yard on 7/15.

Used 41% gly, applied at ~3oz/gal/M, with NIS and blue dye

Wife and I cleaned up this bed that was littered with weeds, ivy, and tons of rocks. I also replaced the chicken wire to keep critters out. We also decorated it a bit with a stepping stone and a wooden bench but took the pic before we did that.

Before (from early spring, didn't take a proper before pic):
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After:
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Will be scalping the lawn this week, and plan to do 2nd gly app this weekend.
 
#27 ·
Guessing you're spraying over everything, including the previously killed spots?
 
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@gregonfire , your lawn looks burnt...like it was on fire! #gregonfire lawnonfire!
 
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#37 ·
Back yard scalped at lowest setting, 1.25".

Wife did it yesterday, she's a beast. 4 months pregnant and still kicking ***.

Don't worry, I treated her with a huge ice cream sundae after work.

Planned to do the front yard today, but got a ton of rain overnight and into the morning, will have to postpone til this weekend.

Upcoming plans:
  • Scalp front yard
  • 2nd round of gly
  • Dethatch


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#41 ·
Did some work this weekend.

  • Scalped front to 1.25"
  • 2nd app of gly went down on 7/22
  • started digging up tree roots from tree that was removed last month, also dug up a bunch of rotting roots from a tree that was removed before we moved in, unsure how long ago.
  • quickly filled in ruts from removed roots and leveled the ground

Some of those roots were extremely long (almost all the way to the driveway) and I had to tear up some of the yard to get them all. They were fairly close to the surface, maybe 1-2" depth.

My question is, how crazy do I need to go with this? There's definitely more roots in the ground, I didn't have time to do them all. Should I just focus on ones that are close to the surface? They start around 2-3" in diameter where the stump was, then taper off as they go. On to the pics:

Blue grass 😂
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Here's what I dug out the ground so far, plus all the grass clippings:
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Pic of the other area where I dug up the rotting roots. I'm also trying to debate what to do over here. The circled area collects water and gets stuck. I'm not sure if I should add in some drains and corrugated pipe along the fence all the way out to the back of the property, fill in the low area with dirt so that the water can freely move to the back yard, or a combination of both. Any insight here is appreciated. I need to get it done before I seed.


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KBG from the old house looks happy still.

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