Anyone have any current NTEP studies that show the darkest TTTF that can be purchased?
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Starting a TTTF project, and brought me here. I'm interested in the snapback as well -- and have ordered from United several times over the years. I noticed though that the current snapback "description" says
"...No-Net and Summer Turf Type Tall Fescues..."
while the "contains" information says
"50% No Net Turf Type Tall Fescue, 50% BarRobusto Turf type Tall Fescue"
https://unitedseeds.com/product/snap-back-rr/
My goal here (like most i assume) is a very dark green, fine bladed, compact tttf. My purpose is to try and replace as much of the kbg I have in my front yard with a more drought/heat tolerant turf. Does anyone have experience with the barrobusto being fine , dwarf(ish), and dark green? There has to be 25-30 tttf with these claims and similar ntep results -- think 4th mill, sidewinder, traverse2, etc. Keeping lawn inline with my kbg, I would like to stay around that 1.5" height of cut. Snapback link says that it can tolerate .75" hoc.....I have no issues with spraying fungicide , moderate irrigation etc. Just the KBG is too delicate for my setup in the front. I did leave a message with united seed. Thanks in advance for any feedback.
"...No-Net and Summer Turf Type Tall Fescues..."
while the "contains" information says
"50% No Net Turf Type Tall Fescue, 50% BarRobusto Turf type Tall Fescue"
https://unitedseeds.com/product/snap-back-rr/
My goal here (like most i assume) is a very dark green, fine bladed, compact tttf. My purpose is to try and replace as much of the kbg I have in my front yard with a more drought/heat tolerant turf. Does anyone have experience with the barrobusto being fine , dwarf(ish), and dark green? There has to be 25-30 tttf with these claims and similar ntep results -- think 4th mill, sidewinder, traverse2, etc. Keeping lawn inline with my kbg, I would like to stay around that 1.5" height of cut. Snapback link says that it can tolerate .75" hoc.....I have no issues with spraying fungicide , moderate irrigation etc. Just the KBG is too delicate for my setup in the front. I did leave a message with united seed. Thanks in advance for any feedback.
@oblique Thanks for the research share and the reply... Yes, so the "Super Turf I" from United Seed also has elite cultivars... Then there is Ryan Knorr (Stover Seed) mix, and also twin city, and preferred seed mixes that all are elite but different. I keep going back to the snapback because of the .75hoc, which makes me comfortable at keeping it between 1-1.5"..... I mentioned that I have KBG that does well on the sides of the house (with watering + high maintenance) because it gets some slight shade. My front lawn gets 100% full sun, no trees, no shade, and I can keep *most of the KBG from going dormant, but every year is a massive battle, and when I go away for a week, I lose the battle lol. I want lower maintenance that I can still baby when I need to , and will also transition/blend into the existing KBG on the sides and back -- which is a midnight type blend from SSS a few years back. I just want the finest , darkest, lowest growing mix or mono TTTF I can find, but the claims, and one sheets are all over the place , and ntep results are so similar with no mention of HOC or growth habit. Just a little lost. So many 'elite' varieties of TTTF.
@Bill Alburger1 I personally am looking for a finer to medium fine blade with dark color, lower growth habit would be great, but lower hoc tolerance (2-3x mow per week) is a must.... Also, when people mention "wide" blade, are we talking old K31 or just slightly wider than other new cultivars. I have a difficult time understanding all of this, but would love to pull the trigger on something... its amazing how little images, research I can find on all the new top performers beyond ntep scores and the pdf one sheets.... So then that makes me circle around with the mixes. If I have 3-4 elite ntep top performers thats great, but if some don't tolerate lower hoc, and others are wider bladed, and some are lighter green, then I just want to go with a mono , but I am having a hard time finding which one to order that would be the best. I'm fine fighting disease and spraying, moderate irrigation efforts, etc. I just want the best looking (dark/finer), lowest growing tttf that is going to have a better heat and drought tolerance to my KBG.
also, side note, for anyone that hasn't seen this yet... its a filtered table of ntep by name, year, type, wtvr. very helpful instead of having 20 tabs open:
https://maps.umn.edu/ntep/
https://maps.umn.edu/ntep/
@oblique I agree with what you just said.... If you look at my last post, youll also see that Firecracker G-LS looks great on ntep. So I go in circles. I personally am looking to purchase approx 50lbs, which will leave me enough to spot seed any areas that I need, and also for a spring overseed / spot seed... as well. Pricing is very reasonable on all the seeds, I just want to know which one to pick lol. If you want to mix, I mean ordering multiple 10lbs bags at once wouldn't be horrible -- I don't actually know the size of your project, just using that as an example.
.....The stover seed blend describes the turf as MEDIUM texture.
.....The united seed Super Turf 1 describes the turf as MEDIUM texture
.....The united seed SnapBack describes the turf as FINE texture
Do we go with site descriptions? Or community feedback?
.....The stover seed blend describes the turf as MEDIUM texture.
.....The united seed Super Turf 1 describes the turf as MEDIUM texture
.....The united seed SnapBack describes the turf as FINE texture
Do we go with site descriptions? Or community feedback?
@oblique Yes, that looked amazing... PRG is the devils temptation IMO. Comes in super fast, dark green, great texture, mow as low as you want, Looks so amazing in spring fall.............only to die off in the summer. I think I'm going to go with the SnapBack after looking at the Barenburg RTF benefits, and BarRobusto Turf type Tall Fescue being one of the main cultivars.
@oblique Yes, that picture does make it look like some old k31 type stuff. hmm... around and around I go lol. Dark green fine texture please. I don't have the time to create test plots or pot different cultivars in my native soil and wait for them to mature... but wish I had thought of that in ummm... January!
@lawn-wolverine I am also curious to see some up close pictures of mature 4th mill mowed tightly. I've seen several pictures of people that have mixes containing 4th, but none of them are actually up close or seem to be below 3"hoc.
@lawn-wolverine I am also curious to see some up close pictures of mature 4th mill mowed tightly. I've seen several pictures of people that have mixes containing 4th, but none of them are actually up close or seem to be below 3"hoc.
@Don_Julio ...I really can't see it having wide blades. The description actually says fine. But , I don't have any personal evidence of either (yet)
@Don_Julio @lawn-wolverine Ill find a picture of my front and back when I get some time (in primetime shape) ... But same issue. I have moderate irrigation restriction this summer, and I know this is an unusual drought for my area (CT Shoreline), but even in good summers(less humid, more rain, no water restriction), my KBG struggles.
As many probably do, I see Pete GCI Turf guy come back from his vacation (he's in NC?), and his KBG was fried too, but he brought it back soaking it. Meanwhile, his TTTF hadn't been mowed or watered in like 2 weeks and it looked like a green carpet..... My plan isn't perfect, but instead of a full reno, I want to scalp now, dethatch, aerate and heavy overseed w/ the TTTF. I figure the light watering will get the TTF going quick before my KBG starts coming back, and the scalp,dethath,aerate will help with that. Im sure theres a good chance the KBG will be coming back thin/patchy in the front anyway. I actually wouldn't mind continual seasonal overseed of TTTF either, but if the lateral spread / self-repair is actually a thing, I figure a few seasons and it should mostly be fixing itself.
Back to the original though, I just want it very dark, and on the finer bladed side, hopefully with somewhat dwarf type growing.
...... also, great turf @Don_Julio ....
As many probably do, I see Pete GCI Turf guy come back from his vacation (he's in NC?), and his KBG was fried too, but he brought it back soaking it. Meanwhile, his TTTF hadn't been mowed or watered in like 2 weeks and it looked like a green carpet..... My plan isn't perfect, but instead of a full reno, I want to scalp now, dethatch, aerate and heavy overseed w/ the TTTF. I figure the light watering will get the TTF going quick before my KBG starts coming back, and the scalp,dethath,aerate will help with that. Im sure theres a good chance the KBG will be coming back thin/patchy in the front anyway. I actually wouldn't mind continual seasonal overseed of TTTF either, but if the lateral spread / self-repair is actually a thing, I figure a few seasons and it should mostly be fixing itself.
Back to the original though, I just want it very dark, and on the finer bladed side, hopefully with somewhat dwarf type growing.
...... also, great turf @Don_Julio ....
@lawn-wolverine hahahha! lol. I know I know.... I have a mix of midnight/mazama/bluebank(?) and its beautiful.... I've looked into the HGT Heat, CGI "Heat Mix" or wtvr its called... Even considered the texas hybrid bluegrass, and looked at KBG nteps.... I've even considered bluemuda, and planted a patch of yukon in an open area near my shed (full sun)... Funny thing, the bermuda does come back and spread in that corner. Problem is I'm too far north for the bluemuda to work properly. It doesn't come in until end of july (this is year 2), and will be dormant by early fall, so it doesn't overlap for a constant growing season. But anyone wondering... yes bermuda (at least yukon) does florish in the CT summers... Better than crabgrass lol
@oblique @Don_Julio
^^ This is long island sound in CT..... I'm in CT Shoreline (sound).....Its not a close up pick, but snapback and rtf both have barrobusto . Except for the patch on the right, looks pretty good for summer installed sod !
.....So @Don_Julio I would feel good about the snapback, and I think I do too
^^ This is long island sound in CT..... I'm in CT Shoreline (sound).....Its not a close up pick, but snapback and rtf both have barrobusto . Except for the patch on the right, looks pretty good for summer installed sod !
.....So @Don_Julio I would feel good about the snapback, and I think I do too
@Don_Julio .... Rtf which has same ultivars
@BigRedGun that is literally the best possible info besides growing them all myself. Thank you. That's great to know
@BigRedGun Let the games begin! Look forward to the progression and results.
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